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So I assume Waymo will be immediately banned from any residential areas until they can demonstrate the ability to follow the laws of the road? The problem is t

So I assume Waymo will be immediately banned from any residential areas until they can demonstrate the ability to follow the laws of the road? The problem is there is zero enforcement. We know the vehicle is not safe around schoolchildren so the appropriate incentive needs to be applied to get the issue addressed.

lokar 7mo ago
I would settle for a fine each time, about $1000 in CA, and a point on some employees license.
- bombcar 7mo ago
  Just impound the vehicle and crush it. The free market will solve it. ;)
  - lokar 7mo ago
    Don't forget to remove the battery first
    - olyjohn 7mo ago
      Or leave it in there, and sell profitable tickets to the show.
- ocdtrekkie 7mo ago
  $1,000 is not a meaningful amount of money to Google. Maybe if, based on the fact the entire fleet uses the same software, it is fined $1,000 per car in their fleet each time an incident occurs? Bear in mind $1,000 per incident is not enough money to justify paying a software developer to fix it.
  - asdff 7mo ago
    What would justify it? Full years salary of a developer plus their fringe benefits? Probably what $300k fine?
    - lokar 7mo ago
      per passenger on the bus, paid to their families
  - ardacinar 7mo ago
    Well, you can just treat them like they are anybody else. So, $1000 fine plus a point on the license of Waymo. And as suggested by another commenter in the thread, if the cars in the fleet (collectively) accumulate more than 4 points within 12 months, Waymo loses its license. As in, all cars operated by Waymo.
    - vkou 7mo ago
      Is that how any corporate fleet works?
      - PunchyHamster 7mo ago
        corporate fleets have different driver per the vehicle, not same code running everything
  - drivingmenuts 7mo ago
    Ticket and require a company lawyer and programmer to show up in traffic court for every infraction and explain current status of self-driving software.
  - Manuel_D 7mo ago
    If this behavior actually is a prevalent issue, then there will be many fines that add up. If Google doesn't rack up many fines, then this problem is evidently rare.
- toast0 7mo ago
  Fines plus license suspension are authorized in Texas law [1] [1] https://texas.public.law/statutes/tex._transp._code_section_545.066 https://texas.public.law/statutes/tex._transp._code_section_...
sahila 7mo ago
> So I assume Waymo will be immediately banned from any residential areas until they can demonstrate the ability to follow the laws of the road? Why do you apply a different standard to waymos than to humans?
- PunchyHamster 7mo ago
  > Why do you apply a different standard to waymos than to humans? Show me waymo's driving license and the test it passed to get it
- deleted 7mo ago
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- ocdtrekkie 7mo ago
  I don't. If a human repeatedly violates the traffic laws they loose their license. Waymo apparently doesn't.
  - thereisnospork 7mo ago
    Humans. Humans repeatedly violate traffic laws. Humans behind the wheel are killing 10's of thousands every year. Yet we keep giving these drugged up meatbags licenses.

lokar 7mo ago

I would settle for a fine each time, about $1000 in CA, and a point on some employees license.

bombcar 7mo ago
Just impound the vehicle and crush it. The free market will solve it. ;)
- lokar 7mo ago
  Don't forget to remove the battery first
  - olyjohn 7mo ago
    Or leave it in there, and sell profitable tickets to the show.
ocdtrekkie 7mo ago
$1,000 is not a meaningful amount of money to Google. Maybe if, based on the fact the entire fleet uses the same software, it is fined $1,000 per car in their fleet each time an incident occurs? Bear in mind $1,000 per incident is not enough money to justify paying a software developer to fix it.
- asdff 7mo ago
  What would justify it? Full years salary of a developer plus their fringe benefits? Probably what $300k fine?
  - lokar 7mo ago
    per passenger on the bus, paid to their families
- ardacinar 7mo ago
  Well, you can just treat them like they are anybody else. So, $1000 fine plus a point on the license of Waymo. And as suggested by another commenter in the thread, if the cars in the fleet (collectively) accumulate more than 4 points within 12 months, Waymo loses its license. As in, all cars operated by Waymo.
  - vkou 7mo ago
    Is that how any corporate fleet works?
    - PunchyHamster 7mo ago
      corporate fleets have different driver per the vehicle, not same code running everything
- drivingmenuts 7mo ago
  Ticket and require a company lawyer and programmer to show up in traffic court for every infraction and explain current status of self-driving software.
- Manuel_D 7mo ago
  If this behavior actually is a prevalent issue, then there will be many fines that add up. If Google doesn't rack up many fines, then this problem is evidently rare.
toast0 7mo ago
Fines plus license suspension are authorized in Texas law [1] [1] https://texas.public.law/statutes/tex._transp._code_section_545.066 https://texas.public.law/statutes/tex._transp._code_section_...

sahila 7mo ago

> So I assume Waymo will be immediately banned from any residential areas until they can demonstrate the ability to follow the laws of the road? Why do you apply a different standard to waymos than to humans?

PunchyHamster 7mo ago
> Why do you apply a different standard to waymos than to humans? Show me waymo's driving license and the test it passed to get it
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ocdtrekkie 7mo ago
I don't. If a human repeatedly violates the traffic laws they loose their license. Waymo apparently doesn't.
- thereisnospork 7mo ago
  Humans. Humans repeatedly violate traffic laws. Humans behind the wheel are killing 10's of thousands every year. Yet we keep giving these drugged up meatbags licenses.