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The article ignores hydropower. The numbers/prices look a lot better with solar + wind + hydro + battery. Norway runs almost entirely on hydropower. Sweden ha

The article ignores hydropower. The numbers/prices look a lot better with solar + wind + hydro + battery. Norway runs almost entirely on hydropower. Sweden has a lot. Iceland runs on hydropower and geothermal.

maxerickson 7mo ago
Hydroelectric capacity is largely built out, so you can look at current generation mix to see how much it is likely to contribute. In the US capacity is likely to go down (dams are expensive and many time old dams are removed instead of being rebuilt).
tonyarkles 7mo ago
I’m happy to be wrong about this globally, but in my neck of the woods the readily exploited hydro resources are already exploited to 90% of their capacity and have been for 100 years. Hydro is in many ways the ultimate renewable energy, but that’s been true since electrification and we’ve been using it as part of the energy mix since then. I’d love to be wrong but my understanding is that there isn’t a huge amount of untapped new hydro capacity available without having severe impacts on ecosystems
- silvestrov 7mo ago
  Hydro in Norway goes very well with windmills in Denmark. Very simplified: Wind blows mostly in Denmark during the day, so Norway stops hydro during the day and imports electricity from Denmark's windmills. During night the wind is mostly still in Denmark so windmills don't produce much and Denmark imports from Norway's hydro. In this way you can stretch the capacity from hydro using windmills even though Norway isn't a good place for windmills.
  - ExpertAdvisor01 7mo ago
    Also what is probably used in your country is Pumped-storage hydroelectricity . During the day you pump water into the reservoir using wind/solar energy and discharge e.g at night .
    - tonyarkles 6mo ago
      Elsewhere in the country yes but lol not so much in the very flat part of Western Canada. I pulled out some topographic maps a few years ago and was quite dismayed at the lack of elevation change suitable for pumped hydro.
- ZeroGravitas 7mo ago
  In the last decade or so hydro generation has grown about as much as solar and wind (they all basically grow about the same amount as global nuclear generation, hydro doubling and wind and solar growing exponentially from basically zero). So it's not going to take off like solar but it's a big chunk of relatively clean electricity production and it's often basically a byproduct of managing water supplies. It also pairs really well with renewables as even without pumps it has a degree of flex and storage.
tenthirtyam 7mo ago
This is even more true with international grid connections. Europe in a cold spell? Solar countries import, wind & hydro export. Europe in a heat wave? Flip the switches the opposite direction.

maxerickson 7mo ago

Hydroelectric capacity is largely built out, so you can look at current generation mix to see how much it is likely to contribute. In the US capacity is likely to go down (dams are expensive and many time old dams are removed instead of being rebuilt).

tonyarkles 7mo ago

I’m happy to be wrong about this globally, but in my neck of the woods the readily exploited hydro resources are already exploited to 90% of their capacity and have been for 100 years. Hydro is in many ways the ultimate renewable energy, but that’s been true since electrification and we’ve been using it as part of the energy mix since then. I’d love to be wrong but my understanding is that there isn’t a huge amount of untapped new hydro capacity available without having severe impacts on ecosystems

silvestrov 7mo ago
Hydro in Norway goes very well with windmills in Denmark. Very simplified: Wind blows mostly in Denmark during the day, so Norway stops hydro during the day and imports electricity from Denmark's windmills. During night the wind is mostly still in Denmark so windmills don't produce much and Denmark imports from Norway's hydro. In this way you can stretch the capacity from hydro using windmills even though Norway isn't a good place for windmills.
- ExpertAdvisor01 7mo ago
  Also what is probably used in your country is Pumped-storage hydroelectricity . During the day you pump water into the reservoir using wind/solar energy and discharge e.g at night .
  - tonyarkles 6mo ago
    Elsewhere in the country yes but lol not so much in the very flat part of Western Canada. I pulled out some topographic maps a few years ago and was quite dismayed at the lack of elevation change suitable for pumped hydro.
ZeroGravitas 7mo ago
In the last decade or so hydro generation has grown about as much as solar and wind (they all basically grow about the same amount as global nuclear generation, hydro doubling and wind and solar growing exponentially from basically zero). So it's not going to take off like solar but it's a big chunk of relatively clean electricity production and it's often basically a byproduct of managing water supplies. It also pairs really well with renewables as even without pumps it has a degree of flex and storage.

tenthirtyam 7mo ago

This is even more true with international grid connections. Europe in a cold spell? Solar countries import, wind & hydro export. Europe in a heat wave? Flip the switches the opposite direction.