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Why doesn’t someone fork systemd and start reworking/taking out all the icky parts as well as destroying Poettering’s control over it? Debian’s forced acceptin

Why doesn’t someone fork systemd and start reworking/taking out all the icky parts as well as destroying Poettering’s control over it? Debian’s forced accepting of Systemd is finally rearing it’s ugly head. I am glad I switched to Devuan earlier this year.

iugtmkbdfil834 7mo ago
I think.. because good inits already exist and systemD is an abomination unto god. Heavens know I was fully expecting agent integration soon...
- righthand 7mo ago
  I agree but all the proponents of it have said “it’s so convenient who cares”. That obviously states there are some features that bring value. I’m hard pressed to believe you need ALL of systemd architected how it is for those claims to hold.
  - iugtmkbdfil834 7mo ago
    There is value in not having to think about stuff too much. As my buddy sometimes says: 'I work support all the time, I don't want to do it at home as well.' Hard to argue with that. Heavens know I have less time for random exploration and related troubleshooting. But.. at certain point, that convenience is nulled by.. bad ideas. I honestly didn't decide which path ( well, distro really )I am choosing, but I know it will not contain systemd if I can help it.
    - righthand 7mo ago
      I’m not sure your point. Does an init system actually require a huge team and budget behind it? Especially when one guy is already forcing decisions on everyone?
      - iugtmkbdfil834 7mo ago
        I think the answer is: it kinda depends on one's needs and each one of us will have to answer what it depends on. Honestly, one of the beauty and curse of linux ecosystem. One could argue there are already small and contained init systems that don't require huge team or crazy budgets ( certainly by comparison ).
variaga 7mo ago
>Why doesn’t someone fork systemd Why don't you? It's open source. No one is stopping you. Your ideas on how init systems should work are obviously superior, so you'll easily win over a majority of developers, right?
- righthand 7mo ago
  I don’t care about majority developers. Just that Poettering’s will not be forced upon me. I just may fork or look at helping establish a better suite of tools in the future. Also I never said my ideas were superior. Maybe go for a walk instead of getting upset someone thinks Systemd needs to die.
keysersoze33 7mo ago
I think most distros are waiting to see if upstream can rethink this first and evaluate what makes sense. Forking something like systemd is no easy task. Perhaps this just starts out as a patch removing the DOB changes. But in reality, distros don't want to face possible legal ramifications either. It's all a bit messy, and time will tell (I suspect for the better, but who knows).

iugtmkbdfil834 7mo ago

I think.. because good inits already exist and systemD is an abomination unto god. Heavens know I was fully expecting agent integration soon...

righthand 7mo ago
I agree but all the proponents of it have said “it’s so convenient who cares”. That obviously states there are some features that bring value. I’m hard pressed to believe you need ALL of systemd architected how it is for those claims to hold.
- iugtmkbdfil834 7mo ago
  There is value in not having to think about stuff too much. As my buddy sometimes says: 'I work support all the time, I don't want to do it at home as well.' Hard to argue with that. Heavens know I have less time for random exploration and related troubleshooting. But.. at certain point, that convenience is nulled by.. bad ideas. I honestly didn't decide which path ( well, distro really )I am choosing, but I know it will not contain systemd if I can help it.
  - righthand 7mo ago
    I’m not sure your point. Does an init system actually require a huge team and budget behind it? Especially when one guy is already forcing decisions on everyone?
    - iugtmkbdfil834 7mo ago
      I think the answer is: it kinda depends on one's needs and each one of us will have to answer what it depends on. Honestly, one of the beauty and curse of linux ecosystem. One could argue there are already small and contained init systems that don't require huge team or crazy budgets ( certainly by comparison ).

variaga 7mo ago

>Why doesn’t someone fork systemd Why don't you? It's open source. No one is stopping you. Your ideas on how init systems should work are obviously superior, so you'll easily win over a majority of developers, right?

righthand 7mo ago
I don’t care about majority developers. Just that Poettering’s will not be forced upon me. I just may fork or look at helping establish a better suite of tools in the future. Also I never said my ideas were superior. Maybe go for a walk instead of getting upset someone thinks Systemd needs to die.

keysersoze33 7mo ago

I think most distros are waiting to see if upstream can rethink this first and evaluate what makes sense. Forking something like systemd is no easy task. Perhaps this just starts out as a patch removing the DOB changes. But in reality, distros don't want to face possible legal ramifications either. It's all a bit messy, and time will tell (I suspect for the better, but who knows).