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Not all men, but all men over 17 and under the age of 45. This still seems draconian, though.
by The_suffocated 6mo ago
Not all men, but all men over 17 and under the age of 45. This still seems draconian, though.
- raffael_de 6mo agoNumber of characters for the title is limited. And while I wouldn't necessarily call it draconian because after all somebody has to defend my country; it in deed comes as a shock. And it is also shocking that I just randomly stumbled over this news article when this law is in effect already for 3 months. How is it possible that our news talk about all sorts of nonsense but not about something as fundamentally relevant as this ... this is the real shock.
- mnmalst 6mo agoI agree in general. One reason we haven't heard anything about it might be that the administration already admitted that this legislation needs correction or at least clarification, as mentioned in the article.
- kristianc 6mo agoDraconian law gets introduced, public outcry ensues. Oh okay we will make it six months then. This is how civil liberties get eroded.
- raffael_de 6mo agoNo, that is not mentioned in the article. The correction and clarification is regarding how exactly this is being implemented. The law is there ... don't think this is a mistake. And there should be serious discussions in a society before something like that is made a law.
- mnmalst 6mo agoFair, yes I agree. Didn't mean to excuse anything they introduced.
- uyzstvqs 6mo ago> And while I wouldn't necessarily call it draconian because after all somebody has to defend my country The ends don't justify the means. Conscription has no place in the free world. It's slavery, plain and simple. Going into the military should be an appealing career choice. Our soldiers are supposed to be highly skilled professionals, not cannon fodder in large quantities.
- raffael_de 6mo agoSo, if some other country with different value system attacks your homeland with intention to effectively colonize it then you'd be okay with just letting it happen?
- kiviuq 6mo agoI believe it is up to the free individual to make that decision. I'm not saving the slave ship when I'm treated like one. ps: There are 8 billion people on this planet, and I've never had any serious issues with any of them, much less a reason to start a war. Governments are always the cause of everyone's misery. Beware of yours!
- uyzstvqs 6mo agoNo. I support a strong, volunteer military force of highly trained professionals (AVF). For example, how the US Army works today. It's not only moral and compatible with human rights in the free world, it's also far more effective.
- haukem 6mo agoI am also surprised that I haven't read about this in German news before. I am following the news. If Trump would have signed an executive order with a similar content affecting US citizen, German media would probably report about this multiple days long with many articles. I was looking in Google news for other reports about this, but only found an article from Berliner Zeitung published 5 hours after this article from Frankfurter Rundschau. I am worried about what other information which could be important to me, the news did not report on. As far as I understood the law the article from FR is correct: https://www.gesetze-im-internet.de/wehrpflg/__3.html https://www.gesetze-im-internet.de/wehrpflg/__3.html
- subsistence234 6mo agoReally exposes the current state of journalism in Germany and more broadly Europe: just propaganda and gossip. A functioning "fourth estate" would have reported on this *before* the law was passed.
- nwellnhof 6mo agoThe law says all men aged 17 and older, not military-aged. https://www.gesetze-im-internet.de/wehrpflg/__3.html https://www.gesetze-im-internet.de/wehrpflg/__3.html
- ffsm8 6mo agoFrom your link (3) Die Wehrpflicht endet mit Ablauf des Jahres, in dem der Wehrpflichtige das 45. Lebensjahr vollendet.
- jalapenoj 6mo agoDrafts seem like an outdated pre-globalist concept. Die for the borders nobody respects anyway. You need to be nationalistic when it’s useful to your leaders that hate you. Of course just the natives need to die, all the immigrants won’t be doing that.
- someguydave 6mo agoFine you can make do in the Congo with everyone else who disrespects borders
- pfannkuchen 6mo agoAre you proposing we send undocumented migrants to the Congo? That’s a terrible idea!
- znpy 6mo agoIt’s also discriminatory on the basis of the gender, “weird” that nobody’s complaining about that.
- atmavatar 6mo agoMen are biologically disposable. If a nation lost 90% or better of its adult male population, it could still bounce back within a generation or two. Women have no incentive to change that, and the small fraction of men powerful enough to change it can already exempt themselves from the meat grinder. The remaining men's opinions don't matter.
- znpy 6mo agoAnd farewell gender equality I guess.
- postsantum 6mo agoGerman women as capable as men, btw. How about to stop this sexist bullshit
- Sabinus 6mo agoOne woman can have one child a year. One man can have hundreds of children a year. This isn't sexist, it's reality. It's the rationale for male conscription and male disposability.
- array_key_first 6mo agoIt's not about capability, it's about value. Women's lives are valuable, men's are not. This has been the case across basically all societies in human history. Losing a ton of men really doesn't matter too much - especially young, family-less men. Losing a lot of women, though, is really really bad.
- postsantum 6mo agoI was informed that we are all equal. Plenty of wartime occupancies carry no risk of dying, like being a nurse