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Home page boldly claims: EuRopE dOeS iT BeTtEr. There is literally a story trending on HN right now: Proton built Proton Meet to escape the CLOUD Ac

by neya 6mo ago

Home page boldly claims: EuRopE dOeS iT BeTtEr. There is literally a story trending on HN right now: Proton built Proton Meet to escape the CLOUD Act. They built it on CLOUD Act infrastructure. Their website promises "not even government agencies" can access your calls. The company routing them hands your call records to the government when asked. Proton hid them from their privacy policy. This superiority complex needs to stop. Source: https://www.sambent.com/proton-meet-isnt-what-they-told-you/ https://www.sambent.com/proton-meet-isnt-what-they-told-you/

fricanest 6mo ago
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palata 6mo ago
> Home page boldly claims: EuRopE dOeS iT BeTtEr. That's a marketing slogan, not anything that is in the culture. > This superiority complex needs to stop. It exists in the US, though: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Americanism_(ideology) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Americanism_(ideology)
- int3 6mo ago
  the difference is that one of them is actually justified!
  - Boltgolt 6mo ago
    For a specific group of people in the world anything but "USA nr1" is hard to image, I understand. Can the nuanced take be: Europe does it better sometimes? Not the best slogan but you're not in marketing
jaccola 6mo ago
I first learned when reading about Steve Jobs, how the Japanese never use "quality" in their advertising. Yet people still view(ed, at least) Japanese manufactured goods as superior quality. It turns out people don't judge quality based on what you tell them but based on their experience. All this to say: I wouldn't stress about it too much. In the consumer space the best usually does win, and people will simply vote with their feet.
- palata 6mo ago
  > In the consumer space the best usually does win It was like this with capitalism. But we live in an era of Technofeudalism, where it's not the case anymore.
  - BLKNSLVR 6mo ago
    Yeah, well, that's how capitalism was meant to work, but mostly seems to have been implemented with various thumbs on scales (which is also true for most of the -isms). Feels kinda like the thumbs on the scales resulted in the (d)evolution towards techno-feudalism.
BLKNSLVR 6mo ago
> This superiority complex needs to stop. There's one person in the world currently setting the example, with every single verbal or textual utterance. This website ain't hurting anyone. Good on them, keep it up.
inexcf 6mo ago
Proton is quite the bad example. Technically european but not in the EU and thus horrible privacy and data security regulations while claiming that being in Switzerland makes them trustworthy.

by neya 6mo ago

fricanest 6mo ago

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palata 6mo ago

> Home page boldly claims: EuRopE dOeS iT BeTtEr. That's a marketing slogan, not anything that is in the culture. > This superiority complex needs to stop. It exists in the US, though: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Americanism_(ideology) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Americanism_(ideology)

int3 6mo ago
the difference is that one of them is actually justified!
- Boltgolt 6mo ago
  For a specific group of people in the world anything but "USA nr1" is hard to image, I understand. Can the nuanced take be: Europe does it better sometimes? Not the best slogan but you're not in marketing

jaccola 6mo ago

I first learned when reading about Steve Jobs, how the Japanese never use "quality" in their advertising. Yet people still view(ed, at least) Japanese manufactured goods as superior quality. It turns out people don't judge quality based on what you tell them but based on their experience. All this to say: I wouldn't stress about it too much. In the consumer space the best usually does win, and people will simply vote with their feet.

palata 6mo ago
> In the consumer space the best usually does win It was like this with capitalism. But we live in an era of Technofeudalism, where it's not the case anymore.
- BLKNSLVR 6mo ago
  Yeah, well, that's how capitalism was meant to work, but mostly seems to have been implemented with various thumbs on scales (which is also true for most of the -isms). Feels kinda like the thumbs on the scales resulted in the (d)evolution towards techno-feudalism.

BLKNSLVR 6mo ago

> This superiority complex needs to stop. There's one person in the world currently setting the example, with every single verbal or textual utterance. This website ain't hurting anyone. Good on them, keep it up.

inexcf 6mo ago

Proton is quite the bad example. Technically european but not in the EU and thus horrible privacy and data security regulations while claiming that being in Switzerland makes them trustworthy.