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Thanks for the feedback. So hosting on say Wix is still Open Web? I suppose, is the converse free? Is a site that allows access without a login Open Web? Like

• cosmicgadget 6mo ago
  I know indie web camp has a thing against hosting services and probably the small web people would also say blogspot and wordpress and wix are too corpo. So imho drawing the distinction at not requiring payment/login works as an open web definition. And if self-hosting is a requirement for some people, there are other terms to use. Youtube, Substack, Medium and the like are open-ish. They're far more of a heavyweight platform than a web host or publishing tool. They could become walled with the flip of a switch. And they can be ad-walled which is testing the limits of openness.
  • JKCalhoun 6mo ago
    If I go to Wix, Substack, Medium and I'm tracked with cookies, sent analytics to Google, a popup begging to allow notifications, a subscription—not "open".