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I find a lot of these IDEs are simply not as useful as a CLI. When I'm running a full agentic workflow, I don't really need to see the contents of the files at

by kvisner 6mo ago

I find a lot of these IDEs are simply not as useful as a CLI. When I'm running a full agentic workflow, I don't really need to see the contents of the files at all time, I'd actually say I often don't need to at all, because I can't really understand 10k lines of code per hour.

nradclif 6mo ago
What role do you play in creating software? If you don't need to see any code, should your employer consider cutting your position? I'm very much pro-humans-in-the-workforce, but I can't understand how someone could be ok with doing so little at their job.
- owlstuffing 6mo ago
  There is a large and growing segment of executives in the software world that is pushing this model hard, like betting their career on it. To them the “dark factory” is an inevitability. As a consequence, not only are developers choosing this path, but the companies they work for are in varying degrees selecting this path for them.
  - dakolli 6mo ago
    Most, if not all of them, are shooting themselves in the foot. I've been saying this for a long time. The only thing LLMs actually are useful for is automating labor and reducing the amount a worker can demand for their work. Don't fall for this trap.
- jamiequint 6mo ago
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  - pona-a 6mo ago
    Then do you think this new data entry position is going to be smas well paying as your current one?
    - jamiequint 6mo ago
      Better paying, way higher leverage.
bryancoxwell 6mo ago
If you can’t understand your code, who can?
- owlstuffing 6mo ago
  It’s not their code, and it’s not for them to understand. The endgame here is that code as we know it today is the “ASM” of tomorrow. The programming language of tomorrow is natural human-spoken language used carefully and methodically to articulate what the agent should build. At least this is the world we appear to be heading toward… quickly.
  - TheRoque 6mo ago
    But the endgame is not here and will likely never be, because unlike ASM, LLMs are not deterministic. So what happens when you need to find the bug in the 100,000k LoC you generated in a few weeks that you've never read, and the agent can't help you ? And it happens a lot. I am not doing this myself so I can't comment, but I've heard many vibe coders commenting that a lot of the commits they do is about fixing the slop they outputted a week prior. Personally, I keep trying OpenCode + Opus 4.6 and I don't find it that good. I mean it does an OK job, but the code is definitely less quality and at the moment I care too much about my codebase to let it grow into slop.
taberiand 6mo ago
On the face of it, "10k lines of code per hour" sounds like a ridiculous metric to the point of parody.
- Matumio 6mo ago
  Saying how many lines of code you can write this way is also a bit like bragging that you are building world's heaviest airplane.

by kvisner 6mo ago

nradclif 6mo ago

What role do you play in creating software? If you don't need to see any code, should your employer consider cutting your position? I'm very much pro-humans-in-the-workforce, but I can't understand how someone could be ok with doing so little at their job.

owlstuffing 6mo ago
There is a large and growing segment of executives in the software world that is pushing this model hard, like betting their career on it. To them the “dark factory” is an inevitability. As a consequence, not only are developers choosing this path, but the companies they work for are in varying degrees selecting this path for them.
- dakolli 6mo ago
  Most, if not all of them, are shooting themselves in the foot. I've been saying this for a long time. The only thing LLMs actually are useful for is automating labor and reducing the amount a worker can demand for their work. Don't fall for this trap.
jamiequint 6mo ago
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- pona-a 6mo ago
  Then do you think this new data entry position is going to be smas well paying as your current one?
  - jamiequint 6mo ago
    Better paying, way higher leverage.

bryancoxwell 6mo ago

If you can’t understand your code, who can?

owlstuffing 6mo ago
It’s not their code, and it’s not for them to understand. The endgame here is that code as we know it today is the “ASM” of tomorrow. The programming language of tomorrow is natural human-spoken language used carefully and methodically to articulate what the agent should build. At least this is the world we appear to be heading toward… quickly.
- TheRoque 6mo ago
  But the endgame is not here and will likely never be, because unlike ASM, LLMs are not deterministic. So what happens when you need to find the bug in the 100,000k LoC you generated in a few weeks that you've never read, and the agent can't help you ? And it happens a lot. I am not doing this myself so I can't comment, but I've heard many vibe coders commenting that a lot of the commits they do is about fixing the slop they outputted a week prior. Personally, I keep trying OpenCode + Opus 4.6 and I don't find it that good. I mean it does an OK job, but the code is definitely less quality and at the moment I care too much about my codebase to let it grow into slop.

taberiand 6mo ago

On the face of it, "10k lines of code per hour" sounds like a ridiculous metric to the point of parody.

Matumio 6mo ago
Saying how many lines of code you can write this way is also a bit like bragging that you are building world's heaviest airplane.