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China (meaning the Chinese government specifically, not the people of course) is widely considered to be a low-key geopolitical rival to the developed West in g

China (meaning the Chinese government specifically, not the people of course) is widely considered to be a low-key geopolitical rival to the developed West in general including Canada and Europe, not just the U.S. I don't exactly like this and would certainly prefer that this wasn't the case, but we can't exactly ignore the facts. This matters when we choose whom to rely on for things like certain hosted third-party services, including AI inference. GP's stance actually makes a lot of sense from this POV, even though it's just as true that many Chinese folks are doing wonderful work on open-weight local AI.

Filligree 7mo ago
China has never threatened war against my country; America has. Between the two, it’s clearly safer to lean towards the Chinese options if EU ones aren’t available.
- andsoitis 7mo ago
  That’s incredibly naïve.
  - NonHyloMorph 7mo ago
    How so?
  - 3acctforcom 7mo ago
    Meh, people have their own interests and values. And you can't force people to spend money no matter how much you may disagree with them Bring on the Chinese, fuck the Americans.
    - cmrdporcupine 7mo ago
      Americans hating on the Chinese for doing to them what they did to the rest of the world for 50 years. Just without the bombs part.
  - whimblepop 7mo ago
    More naive than blithely blowing off threats of war?
  - kiviuq 7mo ago
    Nothing but Love for China.
tancop 7mo ago
"the developed west" is not really a thing. its not a alliance like the eu just a description for some countries. a lot of them are split over china and its a major political issue in places like poland or germany. the only country where all parties treat china like the enemy is the united states, and thats just because theres only two major ones and both listen to corporations instead of their voters. the eu as a organization is a rival to china (not enemy) with all the special duties and import restrictions but thats just economic self interest and not every member is on board. when you ask the average person i think like 80 percent either dont care or think relations should be more friendly. if you ask people under 25 its basically everyone.
tripzilch 7mo ago
I hate to be the one to tell you this but things changed rather quickly when they elected a clown dictator, and now the US is widely considered to be a low-key geopolitical rival to the 'developed West in general' (blergh) including Canada and Europe ... Seriously, even if you manage to elect someone capable ever again, the US can't be trusted to not elect someone worse than a toddler again in 4 years. In fact, you can't even be trusted to not elect someone even worse than your current dictator (if you thought it couldn't get worse, Trump isn't the bottom of the barrel by far).

Filligree 7mo ago

China has never threatened war against my country; America has. Between the two, it’s clearly safer to lean towards the Chinese options if EU ones aren’t available.

andsoitis 7mo ago
That’s incredibly naïve.
- NonHyloMorph 7mo ago
  How so?
- 3acctforcom 7mo ago
  Meh, people have their own interests and values. And you can't force people to spend money no matter how much you may disagree with them Bring on the Chinese, fuck the Americans.
  - cmrdporcupine 7mo ago
    Americans hating on the Chinese for doing to them what they did to the rest of the world for 50 years. Just without the bombs part.
- whimblepop 7mo ago
  More naive than blithely blowing off threats of war?
- kiviuq 7mo ago
  Nothing but Love for China.

tancop 7mo ago

"the developed west" is not really a thing. its not a alliance like the eu just a description for some countries. a lot of them are split over china and its a major political issue in places like poland or germany. the only country where all parties treat china like the enemy is the united states, and thats just because theres only two major ones and both listen to corporations instead of their voters. the eu as a organization is a rival to china (not enemy) with all the special duties and import restrictions but thats just economic self interest and not every member is on board. when you ask the average person i think like 80 percent either dont care or think relations should be more friendly. if you ask people under 25 its basically everyone.

tripzilch 7mo ago

I hate to be the one to tell you this but things changed rather quickly when they elected a clown dictator, and now the US is widely considered to be a low-key geopolitical rival to the 'developed West in general' (blergh) including Canada and Europe ... Seriously, even if you manage to elect someone capable ever again, the US can't be trusted to not elect someone worse than a toddler again in 4 years. In fact, you can't even be trusted to not elect someone even worse than your current dictator (if you thought it couldn't get worse, Trump isn't the bottom of the barrel by far).