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So what's the business strategy here? Google is the only USA based frontier lab releasing open models. I know they aren't doing it out of the goodness of their

by Deegy 6mo ago

So what's the business strategy here? Google is the only USA based frontier lab releasing open models. I know they aren't doing it out of the goodness of their hearts.

artificialprint 6mo ago
Release open weights so competitors can't raise good money, then rear naked choke when they run dry
- robocat 6mo ago
  Using Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu (BJJ) technical terms is confusing. Sports allusions don't travel well between cultures, especially if they sound seedy.
  - golfer 6mo ago
    I found it plucky and intriguing. A great metaphor, not often seen in tech. Not everything has to be in the lowest common denominator of language.
g947o 6mo ago
https://openai.com/index/introducing-gpt-oss/ https://openai.com/index/introducing-gpt-oss/
- stavros 6mo ago
  This is nearly a year old, which is a million years in LLM time.
  - g947o 6mo ago
    *8 months That doesn't make parent's claim true or even relevant. And OpenAI could release an open model tomorrow. Nobody knows.
    - stavros 6mo ago
      Anybody could release an open model tomorrow. Google is the only US based lab releasing open weights models. OpenAI released one once, which might or might not count as "releasing", depending on your definition
      - petu 6mo ago
        > OpenAI released one once they've released gpt-oss-safeguard in October I hope / think they are going to release more, just going for one big release a year like Gemma (if we talk strictly about general chat model -- Gemma 3 was March 2025)
      - g947o 6mo ago
        > OpenAI released one once You forgot the GPT-2 that came long before that. OpenAI was the lab that releases open models. None of this is factually correct, that is it. I don't think this is debatable. I don't love OpenAI, but OpenAI made huge contributions to the field, and one should give credit where credit is due. I have great trouble understanding why someone would waste time defending it.
      - nickthegreek 6mo ago
        > OpenAI released one once gpt-2, CLIP, Whisper, Point-E, got-oss-120b, gpt-oss-20b.
BoingBoomTschak 6mo ago
Spreading propaganda through aligned model censored to eschew wrongthink? I mean, I truly believe there's some of that in the LLM world, but probably not the real reason you're searching for. Might be trying to (re)gain mindshare/cred amongst the hackers.

by Deegy 6mo ago

So what's the business strategy here? Google is the only USA based frontier lab releasing open models. I know they aren't doing it out of the goodness of their hearts.

artificialprint 6mo ago

Release open weights so competitors can't raise good money, then rear naked choke when they run dry

robocat 6mo ago
Using Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu (BJJ) technical terms is confusing. Sports allusions don't travel well between cultures, especially if they sound seedy.
- golfer 6mo ago
  I found it plucky and intriguing. A great metaphor, not often seen in tech. Not everything has to be in the lowest common denominator of language.

g947o 6mo ago

https://openai.com/index/introducing-gpt-oss/ https://openai.com/index/introducing-gpt-oss/

stavros 6mo ago
This is nearly a year old, which is a million years in LLM time.
- g947o 6mo ago
  *8 months That doesn't make parent's claim true or even relevant. And OpenAI could release an open model tomorrow. Nobody knows.
  - stavros 6mo ago
    Anybody could release an open model tomorrow. Google is the only US based lab releasing open weights models. OpenAI released one once, which might or might not count as "releasing", depending on your definition
    - petu 6mo ago
      > OpenAI released one once they've released gpt-oss-safeguard in October I hope / think they are going to release more, just going for one big release a year like Gemma (if we talk strictly about general chat model -- Gemma 3 was March 2025)
    - g947o 6mo ago
      > OpenAI released one once You forgot the GPT-2 that came long before that. OpenAI was the lab that releases open models. None of this is factually correct, that is it. I don't think this is debatable. I don't love OpenAI, but OpenAI made huge contributions to the field, and one should give credit where credit is due. I have great trouble understanding why someone would waste time defending it.
    - nickthegreek 6mo ago
      > OpenAI released one once gpt-2, CLIP, Whisper, Point-E, got-oss-120b, gpt-oss-20b.

BoingBoomTschak 6mo ago

Spreading propaganda through aligned model censored to eschew wrongthink? I mean, I truly believe there's some of that in the LLM world, but probably not the real reason you're searching for. Might be trying to (re)gain mindshare/cred amongst the hackers.