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Curious about the motivation. The current conflict in Iran once again reminds us of how it;s all intertwined. The blockade of Strait of Hormuz means helium sho

Curious about the motivation. The current conflict in Iran once again reminds us of how it;s all intertwined. The blockade of Strait of Hormuz means helium shortages means no chip production, means your EU based alternative is not getting chips so you really don't have an alternative unless you can somehow magically wish a whole fairly alternative supply chain of EU based rare minerals, fabs, nvidias etc

lwansbrough 6mo ago
1 step at a time until the Americans wake the fuck up
tuwtuwtuwtuw 6mo ago
Many people in EU wants to distance themselves wherever possible from US. It's not an all-or-nothing. Of course people will continue to use Nvidia, Netflix and so on, but if there are European options then many people prefer that.
- bilekas 6mo ago
  > Many people in EU wants to distance themselves wherever possible from US. Yes, but only because the trust was broken by the US. For so long the EU was very happy to work with the US with trade, we both benefited.
  - sisve 6mo ago
    Yeah. For me threatening to invade Greenland was a super red flag. I have not cared about US privacy & security laws. Even if people have talked about it and snowden exposed a lot, over a decade ago. But by treating Greenland... I see a real shift in the political environment from the EU [1] 1. https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/eu-is-crossroads-towards-more-independence-von-der-leyen-says-2026-01-21/?utm_source=chatgpt.com https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/eu-is-crossroads-toward...
  - tuwtuwtuwtuw 6mo ago
    Yes, of course. People's willingness to trade with a country goes down when the country threatens to invade.
bilekas 6mo ago
It's the global economy. It's actually a good thing to promote peace between people with differences. But when one person or group decides they know better it messes everyone up. The idea was that the global economic interconnection would discourage it, now things are moving towards a no trust environment. Europe is working towards being independent or at least not so heavy dependent, it's a good thing, but in the long term this idea of isolation for everyone isn't great.
BrunoBernardino 6mo ago
Thanks for the question. I edited the post above to make my intentions (and lack of them in certain political and social aspects) clearer.
fsflover 6mo ago
Perhaps a better legal framework for privacy (GDPR)?
bergjs 6mo ago
Privacy: the US has laws that allow security services to access all data of all companies that are in US jurisdiction. Risk management: the US government uses dependency on US companies as leverage to put pressure on other countries. Freedom: the US government published a security strategy that basically declares European liberal democracies as enemies. I like living in a European liberal democracy so I try not to support those who want to take that away with my money.
layer8 6mo ago
Regarding chips, the dependency is more distributed (TSMC isn’t in the US), and also somewhat mutual (ASML). Software and services is more one-sided.

lwansbrough 6mo ago

1 step at a time until the Americans wake the fuck up

tuwtuwtuwtuw 6mo ago

Many people in EU wants to distance themselves wherever possible from US. It's not an all-or-nothing. Of course people will continue to use Nvidia, Netflix and so on, but if there are European options then many people prefer that.

bilekas 6mo ago
> Many people in EU wants to distance themselves wherever possible from US. Yes, but only because the trust was broken by the US. For so long the EU was very happy to work with the US with trade, we both benefited.
- sisve 6mo ago
  Yeah. For me threatening to invade Greenland was a super red flag. I have not cared about US privacy & security laws. Even if people have talked about it and snowden exposed a lot, over a decade ago. But by treating Greenland... I see a real shift in the political environment from the EU [1] 1. https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/eu-is-crossroads-towards-more-independence-von-der-leyen-says-2026-01-21/?utm_source=chatgpt.com https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/eu-is-crossroads-toward...
- tuwtuwtuwtuw 6mo ago
  Yes, of course. People's willingness to trade with a country goes down when the country threatens to invade.

bilekas 6mo ago

It's the global economy. It's actually a good thing to promote peace between people with differences. But when one person or group decides they know better it messes everyone up. The idea was that the global economic interconnection would discourage it, now things are moving towards a no trust environment. Europe is working towards being independent or at least not so heavy dependent, it's a good thing, but in the long term this idea of isolation for everyone isn't great.

BrunoBernardino 6mo ago

Thanks for the question. I edited the post above to make my intentions (and lack of them in certain political and social aspects) clearer.

fsflover 6mo ago

Perhaps a better legal framework for privacy (GDPR)?

bergjs 6mo ago

Privacy: the US has laws that allow security services to access all data of all companies that are in US jurisdiction. Risk management: the US government uses dependency on US companies as leverage to put pressure on other countries. Freedom: the US government published a security strategy that basically declares European liberal democracies as enemies. I like living in a European liberal democracy so I try not to support those who want to take that away with my money.

layer8 6mo ago

Regarding chips, the dependency is more distributed (TSMC isn’t in the US), and also somewhat mutual (ASML). Software and services is more one-sided.