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What would all these companies do without Microsoft shipping VS Code as open source, probably still stuck with vi and Emacs. Still curious which ones will surv

by pjmlp 8mo ago

What would all these companies do without Microsoft shipping VS Code as open source, probably still stuck with vi and Emacs. Still curious which ones will survive when the AI gold diggers finally settle.

vachina 8mo ago
There's also Eclipse.
- tipsysquid 8mo ago
  shudders does anyone pine for eclipes? I haven't used it in a decade, Im sure it has has evolved
  - ikidd 8mo ago
    It's still horrendous.
  - guzfip 8mo ago
    My job replaced eclipse with VSCode for Java+Spring development. Can’t say I miss eclipse, but a lot of the VSCode extensions seems to utilize old legacy eclipse stuff and has the bugs to match.
    - davnicwil 8mo ago
      Did you consider IntelliJ, even just the community edition? If not you really should. IntelliJ with Java is one of the best dev experiences I've ever had. I'm a VSCode fan for most other things but for Java I wouldn't even remotely consider using it over IntelliJ if I had the option :-)
    - pjmlp 8mo ago
      Your are still running Eclipse, Red-Hat and Microsoft run it headless. It is not old. Likewise Oracle VSCode version runs Netbeans headless.
  - tombert 8mo ago
    There was a time that Eclipse was my preferred editor. It was free and it gave cool sexy features that all the cool kids who could afford Visual Studio had, and it worked on Linux! Nowadays I'm basically a Neovim purist, but I have positive memories of it. I'm kind of afraid to revisit it at this point, though, since everyone hates on it and I suspect I wouldn't like it as much.
  - pjmlp 8mo ago
    Certainly do.
- seamossfet 8mo ago
  Oh my god, this comment gave me flashbacks to when I was writing android apps in Eclipse + ADT
- alhimik45 8mo ago
  And Eclipse Foundation maintains VSCode-compatible editor designed to be a framework for other IDEs: https://theia-ide.org/ https://theia-ide.org/ IMO sounds like natural foundation for Cursor
  - TiredOfLife 8mo ago
    Funny thing about Theia is that it is based on the only thing MS made themselves - Monaco editor.
mgrandl 8mo ago
Sounds like cursor is not using vscode anymore in this release?
MangoCoffee 8mo ago
every AI lab have cli for agent coding. you don't need VS Code. if you want coding agent to write code for you just use cli then use any IDE, text editor or whatever you prefer to review, edit or write code.
- Sil_E_Goose 8mo ago
  There is even a cli version of cursor. https://cursor.com/cli https://cursor.com/cli
Uehreka 8mo ago
VS Code wouldn’t have won the mid-2010s editor wars if it was closed source (note that VS Code has not helped MS ramp people up to VS itself). The winner of that war was always going to be an open source editor, it was just Microsoft whose concept won out. Closed source editors like Coda failed to gain traction and even Sublime Text fell eventually. If MS ever decided to discontinue VS Code or relicense it, there would be blood in the water. I guarantee you there would be multiple compelling competitors in under a year and probably a new open source winner with consolidation in 5. So to answer your question: they would be forking Atom (which I think would’ve won otherwise).
- dist-epoch 8mo ago
  Sublime Text fell because VS Code was just better, not because it was closed source. I switched from Sublime Text to VS Code, and didn't care one bit how open or close either was. Not saying there aren't people who care, there are, but they are a small minority.
  - scottyah 8mo ago
    VS Code only got better because it was open source though, the community contributed so much. Sublime Text was vastly superior in the beginning in pretty much every way.
  - pjmlp 8mo ago
    More like many devs are cheap and paying for Sublime is too much to ask for.
- ValentineC 8mo ago
  > So to answer your question: they would be forking Atom (which I think would’ve won otherwise). Atom was far slower than VS Code, despite both of them being built on Electron. I wouldn't have used Atom, but I use VS Code. It is entirely possible that some other closed-source editor with a superior package/extension system would have won, or the "war" would have been postponed until Rust was ready enough for Zed to come along.
sushisource 8mo ago
Zed's not a VSCode clone, and it's fantastic and OSS. They don't really have a business model that I see working though, IMO. I pay them purely because I love the editor, but the editor is free. The AI integration is what you pay for, but I just run claude code in a terminal.

by pjmlp 8mo ago

vachina 8mo ago

There's also Eclipse.

tipsysquid 8mo ago
shudders does anyone pine for eclipes? I haven't used it in a decade, Im sure it has has evolved
- ikidd 8mo ago
  It's still horrendous.
- guzfip 8mo ago
  My job replaced eclipse with VSCode for Java+Spring development. Can’t say I miss eclipse, but a lot of the VSCode extensions seems to utilize old legacy eclipse stuff and has the bugs to match.
  - davnicwil 8mo ago
    Did you consider IntelliJ, even just the community edition? If not you really should. IntelliJ with Java is one of the best dev experiences I've ever had. I'm a VSCode fan for most other things but for Java I wouldn't even remotely consider using it over IntelliJ if I had the option :-)
  - pjmlp 8mo ago
    Your are still running Eclipse, Red-Hat and Microsoft run it headless. It is not old. Likewise Oracle VSCode version runs Netbeans headless.
- tombert 8mo ago
  There was a time that Eclipse was my preferred editor. It was free and it gave cool sexy features that all the cool kids who could afford Visual Studio had, and it worked on Linux! Nowadays I'm basically a Neovim purist, but I have positive memories of it. I'm kind of afraid to revisit it at this point, though, since everyone hates on it and I suspect I wouldn't like it as much.
- pjmlp 8mo ago
  Certainly do.
seamossfet 8mo ago
Oh my god, this comment gave me flashbacks to when I was writing android apps in Eclipse + ADT
alhimik45 8mo ago
And Eclipse Foundation maintains VSCode-compatible editor designed to be a framework for other IDEs: https://theia-ide.org/ https://theia-ide.org/ IMO sounds like natural foundation for Cursor
- TiredOfLife 8mo ago
  Funny thing about Theia is that it is based on the only thing MS made themselves - Monaco editor.

mgrandl 8mo ago

Sounds like cursor is not using vscode anymore in this release?

MangoCoffee 8mo ago

every AI lab have cli for agent coding. you don't need VS Code. if you want coding agent to write code for you just use cli then use any IDE, text editor or whatever you prefer to review, edit or write code.

Sil_E_Goose 8mo ago
There is even a cli version of cursor. https://cursor.com/cli https://cursor.com/cli

Uehreka 8mo ago

VS Code wouldn’t have won the mid-2010s editor wars if it was closed source (note that VS Code has not helped MS ramp people up to VS itself). The winner of that war was always going to be an open source editor, it was just Microsoft whose concept won out. Closed source editors like Coda failed to gain traction and even Sublime Text fell eventually. If MS ever decided to discontinue VS Code or relicense it, there would be blood in the water. I guarantee you there would be multiple compelling competitors in under a year and probably a new open source winner with consolidation in 5. So to answer your question: they would be forking Atom (which I think would’ve won otherwise).

dist-epoch 8mo ago
Sublime Text fell because VS Code was just better, not because it was closed source. I switched from Sublime Text to VS Code, and didn't care one bit how open or close either was. Not saying there aren't people who care, there are, but they are a small minority.
- scottyah 8mo ago
  VS Code only got better because it was open source though, the community contributed so much. Sublime Text was vastly superior in the beginning in pretty much every way.
- pjmlp 8mo ago
  More like many devs are cheap and paying for Sublime is too much to ask for.
ValentineC 8mo ago
> So to answer your question: they would be forking Atom (which I think would’ve won otherwise). Atom was far slower than VS Code, despite both of them being built on Electron. I wouldn't have used Atom, but I use VS Code. It is entirely possible that some other closed-source editor with a superior package/extension system would have won, or the "war" would have been postponed until Rust was ready enough for Zed to come along.

sushisource 8mo ago

Zed's not a VSCode clone, and it's fantastic and OSS. They don't really have a business model that I see working though, IMO. I pay them purely because I love the editor, but the editor is free. The AI integration is what you pay for, but I just run claude code in a terminal.