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Let's hope she doesn't get a pardon before he leaves office.

happytoexplain 7mo ago
Trump's abuse of the presidential pardon is so hideous, I wouldn't be surprised if this power granted by the original US Constitution is amended after he leaves, in response to his unprecedented lack of respect for it. However, I also wouldn't be surprised if nobody in power ever possesses the strength of character or simple morality to do so.
- salawat 7mo ago
  I don't think we should change it. I think we as a nation need to understand the person we put in that office has that power, and choose accordingly. It's there for a reason. Sometimes, it's perfectly acceptable for the President to say "fuck this shit" for the good of the Nation. With that power though, comes the responsibility to wield it with respect. This country put the man abusing it in power. No one had second bloody thoughts. No one listened. No one looked ahead. Changing the system won't fix that. Only changing ourselves will. Now you have an undeniable example of the destructive potential of a truly, unrepentantly, criminally inclined President. Consider yourselves lucky if we actually have a peaceful transition of power out of this Administration. Then don't fuck up again. The stakes of statecraft are high. It's about damn time we started acting like it.
  - SketchySeaBeast 7mo ago
    > This country put the man abusing it in power. Twice. I can forgive the mistake once, but this is the second time in 10 years that America is facing this nonsense with the exact same demagogue.
    - JKCalhoun 7mo ago
      (You're more forgiving than I am.)
    - bobchadwick 7mo ago
      We also re-elected Bush Jr. after he started the disastrous war in Iraq, along with doing a bunch of other terrible shit. Is it really that surprising that Trump was elected twice?
  - fhdkweig 7mo ago
    > I think we as a nation need to understand the person we put in that office has that power, and choose accordingly. That's like taking the safety off a gun to remind people to be responsible. That doesn't work, and irresponsible people's decisions can negatively affect everyone (including other countries). We need all the safety measures we can get.
    - salawat 7mo ago
      We had safety measures. It was called the Electoral College, and the entire reason it was put there was to get a small group of people separated from groupthink to really think " Are you SURE this is the right candidate?" Then states decided to pass laws to penalize the act of being a faithless elector, which is EXACTLY the mechanism of protection to keep a demagogue out of office. You can't sit here and whine about what a criminal demagogue President can do not being safe when the Safety got stripped not more than 4 Presidencies in by the machinations of political parties. You had the safety of the impeachment process by Congress. Your Senators refuse to rein the man in. You had the Safety of the Judiciary. Your Senators did everything to stack that too. There is no one else to delegate the responsibility of clemency oversight to. In fact, systemically, you can't. Not while maintaining the President's inherent check on the Legislature & the Judiciary and thereby creating problems elsewhere. You just weaken the system. We put a felon in the White House even after seeing what they did the first time. That's the effing problem. It isn't the position. It's who got put in it. That's the only damn thing you can fix. The only people who should be ashamed are the ones who got taken in by this idiot's campaign, and couldn't be arsed to understand the levers they were putting him in front of. I bloody well did. I didn't vote for him. Even if I had to swallow my disgust and vote for someone else I was somewhat less doubtful of the efficacy of. There is no blood on my hands for this Presidency. Not a drop. I did my part. Now I'm doing my part for the next one in hopefully galvanizing people to wake up and take this crap seriously, unless they wish to remain a laughing stock to the rest of the world for the foreseeable future, even though, to be quite honest, I'm pretty certain that ship has sailed. Alas, it is my civic duty, no matter how hopeless the chances of success. For every problem there is always a solution that seems quick, simple, and is almost certainly, entirely wrong in the grand scheme of things. Dorking with the Pardon, is one of them. Is it controversial? Yes. Is it necessary? Yep. Sure is. Someone has to be able to stop the wheels of the System from continuing to grind when the System changes it's mind, and that's what the Pardon is for. It is vested in a single person. To the rest of the system, it doesn't even factor in. Take this as a lesson learned, and don't put it in front of manchildren to be abused with wild abandon. Then just as we move forward to recover from this turbulent learning experience, we'll just have to clean up the mess. You can't fix stupid. You can only clean up after it.
  - peterashford 7mo ago
    I vehemently disagree with this idea. I think you need to understand that all humans are fallible and you should have less vertical power structures and more horizontal structures. Putting all the power into one person's hands is asking for tyrants
- burnt-resistor 7mo ago
  Giuliani selling them was the chef's kiss of ultimate, naked transactional prerogative exploitation of a traditional mechanism for exceptional humanitarian redress.
- nondrool 7mo ago
  How so? Serious question too, as last I heard of any pardons it was Biden giving his son, and others, blanket pardons going back to 2014. Didn't even think that was possible to just willy nilly give pardons on anything and everything for a whole decade.
  - JKCalhoun 7mo ago
    Have you been out of the loop on the various Trump pardon's? The blanket January 6 Capitol assault pardons? Drug trafficking Juan Orlando Hernandez? To name a few.
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ricksunny 7mo ago
I would imagine that’s SOP at this point.
- readthenotes1 7mo ago
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  - lovich 7mo ago
    Even referencing the auto pen nonsense pens(ha) you as irrational.
    - fhdkweig 7mo ago
      yep. Politicians have been using them for over 100 years, including Thomas Jefferson. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autopen https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autopen
  - asmodeuslucifer 7mo ago
    When are they going to release Hunter Biden's laptop? The FBI has it. (supposedly)
  - nabbed 7mo ago
    I'm not worked up at all about the auto-pen. But presidents should not be pardoning friends and family (although friends seem to get pardoned quite frequently). If a president feels it's important to do so, that president should wait until they are an ex-president and petition the next person in power.
    - fhdkweig 7mo ago
      Even that doesn't seem appropriate. Nixon resigned knowing that his VP would take over and pardoned him. It still seems self-serving.
fhdkweig 7mo ago
If she broke any state laws anywhere, that won't help her. Presidential pardons don't affect state crimes, and state pardons don't affect federal crimes. It is the closest thing to a check and balance on the power.
- threatofrain 7mo ago
  It's not like state laws couldn't pertain to Pam Bondi, but the dominant framing around her is going to be federal officer exercising her powers, rightly or wrongly, over a federal office and while under the direction of the president.
- DANmode 7mo ago
  > Presidential pardons don't affect state crimes What good has this done in any of the hundreds of scumbag drug and human trafficker cases that have been let free via Presidential pardons?! Did a State come step in afterwards, in any, ever?
  - John23832 7mo ago
    While not directly connected to Jan 5, a surprising amount of the rioters ended up with state crimes. It’s almost as if they were criminals all along.
    - DANmode 7mo ago
      What’s this got to do with what I said, or Pam Bondi?
nabbed 7mo ago
I guess I wasn't paying enough attention, for what would she get charged? I know about the illegal appointments of US attorneys, the vindictive attempted prosecutions against Trump's perceived enemies, and some problems with the Epstein file releases, but I thought all those were under the category of "incompetency". Did she lie to congress or something like that?
burnt-resistor 7mo ago
Nawh, they don't think that far ahead. Instead, she got a consolation-prize invented demotion job to keep her loyal to Mafia Don.
DivingForGold 7mo ago
Never ceases to amaze me how all these lib newsites says Pam was "FIRED", when in fact it's FAKE NEWS. Pam was plumb worn out and chose to move on to private practice and chill out a bit.
- voganmother42 7mo ago
  How else is she going to get the dow back above 50k? Being a soulless lying ghoul is tiring though, so that checks out!
  - guzfip 7mo ago
    The remaining “true believers” are so fucking stupid now I can genuinely not tell parody from the real thing. I don’t think I’ve seen a more desperate cope yet.

Trump's abuse of the presidential pardon is so hideous, I wouldn't be surprised if this power granted by the original US Constitution is amended after he leaves, in response to his unprecedented lack of respect for it. However, I also wouldn't be surprised if nobody in power ever possesses the strength of character or simple morality to do so.

salawat 7mo ago
I don't think we should change it. I think we as a nation need to understand the person we put in that office has that power, and choose accordingly. It's there for a reason. Sometimes, it's perfectly acceptable for the President to say "fuck this shit" for the good of the Nation. With that power though, comes the responsibility to wield it with respect. This country put the man abusing it in power. No one had second bloody thoughts. No one listened. No one looked ahead. Changing the system won't fix that. Only changing ourselves will. Now you have an undeniable example of the destructive potential of a truly, unrepentantly, criminally inclined President. Consider yourselves lucky if we actually have a peaceful transition of power out of this Administration. Then don't fuck up again. The stakes of statecraft are high. It's about damn time we started acting like it.
- SketchySeaBeast 7mo ago
  > This country put the man abusing it in power. Twice. I can forgive the mistake once, but this is the second time in 10 years that America is facing this nonsense with the exact same demagogue.
  - JKCalhoun 7mo ago
    (You're more forgiving than I am.)
  - bobchadwick 7mo ago
    We also re-elected Bush Jr. after he started the disastrous war in Iraq, along with doing a bunch of other terrible shit. Is it really that surprising that Trump was elected twice?
- fhdkweig 7mo ago
  > I think we as a nation need to understand the person we put in that office has that power, and choose accordingly. That's like taking the safety off a gun to remind people to be responsible. That doesn't work, and irresponsible people's decisions can negatively affect everyone (including other countries). We need all the safety measures we can get.
  - salawat 7mo ago
    We had safety measures. It was called the Electoral College, and the entire reason it was put there was to get a small group of people separated from groupthink to really think " Are you SURE this is the right candidate?" Then states decided to pass laws to penalize the act of being a faithless elector, which is EXACTLY the mechanism of protection to keep a demagogue out of office. You can't sit here and whine about what a criminal demagogue President can do not being safe when the Safety got stripped not more than 4 Presidencies in by the machinations of political parties. You had the safety of the impeachment process by Congress. Your Senators refuse to rein the man in. You had the Safety of the Judiciary. Your Senators did everything to stack that too. There is no one else to delegate the responsibility of clemency oversight to. In fact, systemically, you can't. Not while maintaining the President's inherent check on the Legislature & the Judiciary and thereby creating problems elsewhere. You just weaken the system. We put a felon in the White House even after seeing what they did the first time. That's the effing problem. It isn't the position. It's who got put in it. That's the only damn thing you can fix. The only people who should be ashamed are the ones who got taken in by this idiot's campaign, and couldn't be arsed to understand the levers they were putting him in front of. I bloody well did. I didn't vote for him. Even if I had to swallow my disgust and vote for someone else I was somewhat less doubtful of the efficacy of. There is no blood on my hands for this Presidency. Not a drop. I did my part. Now I'm doing my part for the next one in hopefully galvanizing people to wake up and take this crap seriously, unless they wish to remain a laughing stock to the rest of the world for the foreseeable future, even though, to be quite honest, I'm pretty certain that ship has sailed. Alas, it is my civic duty, no matter how hopeless the chances of success. For every problem there is always a solution that seems quick, simple, and is almost certainly, entirely wrong in the grand scheme of things. Dorking with the Pardon, is one of them. Is it controversial? Yes. Is it necessary? Yep. Sure is. Someone has to be able to stop the wheels of the System from continuing to grind when the System changes it's mind, and that's what the Pardon is for. It is vested in a single person. To the rest of the system, it doesn't even factor in. Take this as a lesson learned, and don't put it in front of manchildren to be abused with wild abandon. Then just as we move forward to recover from this turbulent learning experience, we'll just have to clean up the mess. You can't fix stupid. You can only clean up after it.
- peterashford 7mo ago
  I vehemently disagree with this idea. I think you need to understand that all humans are fallible and you should have less vertical power structures and more horizontal structures. Putting all the power into one person's hands is asking for tyrants
burnt-resistor 7mo ago
Giuliani selling them was the chef's kiss of ultimate, naked transactional prerogative exploitation of a traditional mechanism for exceptional humanitarian redress.
nondrool 7mo ago
How so? Serious question too, as last I heard of any pardons it was Biden giving his son, and others, blanket pardons going back to 2014. Didn't even think that was possible to just willy nilly give pardons on anything and everything for a whole decade.
- JKCalhoun 7mo ago
  Have you been out of the loop on the various Trump pardon's? The blanket January 6 Capitol assault pardons? Drug trafficking Juan Orlando Hernandez? To name a few.
- deleted 7mo ago
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ricksunny 7mo ago

I would imagine that’s SOP at this point.

readthenotes1 7mo ago
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- lovich 7mo ago
  Even referencing the auto pen nonsense pens(ha) you as irrational.
  - fhdkweig 7mo ago
    yep. Politicians have been using them for over 100 years, including Thomas Jefferson. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autopen https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autopen
- asmodeuslucifer 7mo ago
  When are they going to release Hunter Biden's laptop? The FBI has it. (supposedly)
- nabbed 7mo ago
  I'm not worked up at all about the auto-pen. But presidents should not be pardoning friends and family (although friends seem to get pardoned quite frequently). If a president feels it's important to do so, that president should wait until they are an ex-president and petition the next person in power.
  - fhdkweig 7mo ago
    Even that doesn't seem appropriate. Nixon resigned knowing that his VP would take over and pardoned him. It still seems self-serving.

fhdkweig 7mo ago

If she broke any state laws anywhere, that won't help her. Presidential pardons don't affect state crimes, and state pardons don't affect federal crimes. It is the closest thing to a check and balance on the power.

threatofrain 7mo ago
It's not like state laws couldn't pertain to Pam Bondi, but the dominant framing around her is going to be federal officer exercising her powers, rightly or wrongly, over a federal office and while under the direction of the president.
DANmode 7mo ago
> Presidential pardons don't affect state crimes What good has this done in any of the hundreds of scumbag drug and human trafficker cases that have been let free via Presidential pardons?! Did a State come step in afterwards, in any, ever?
- John23832 7mo ago
  While not directly connected to Jan 5, a surprising amount of the rioters ended up with state crimes. It’s almost as if they were criminals all along.
  - DANmode 7mo ago
    What’s this got to do with what I said, or Pam Bondi?

nabbed 7mo ago

I guess I wasn't paying enough attention, for what would she get charged? I know about the illegal appointments of US attorneys, the vindictive attempted prosecutions against Trump's perceived enemies, and some problems with the Epstein file releases, but I thought all those were under the category of "incompetency". Did she lie to congress or something like that?

burnt-resistor 7mo ago

Nawh, they don't think that far ahead. Instead, she got a consolation-prize invented demotion job to keep her loyal to Mafia Don.

DivingForGold 7mo ago

Never ceases to amaze me how all these lib newsites says Pam was "FIRED", when in fact it's FAKE NEWS. Pam was plumb worn out and chose to move on to private practice and chill out a bit.

voganmother42 7mo ago
How else is she going to get the dow back above 50k? Being a soulless lying ghoul is tiring though, so that checks out!
- guzfip 7mo ago
  The remaining “true believers” are so fucking stupid now I can genuinely not tell parody from the real thing. I don’t think I’ve seen a more desperate cope yet.