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This report was published by the Global Warming Policy Foundation, which according to Wikipedia "is a climate change denial lobby group registered as a charitab

This report was published by the Global Warming Policy Foundation, which according to Wikipedia "is a climate change denial lobby group registered as a charitable organisation in the United Kingdom. Its stated aims are to challenge what it calls "extremely damaging and harmful policies" envisaged by governments to mitigate anthropogenic global warming. The GWPF, and some of its prominent members individually, practise and promote climate change denial." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Global_Warming_Policy_Foundation https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Global_Warming_Policy_Foun... So it sounds like they (and I assume you) definitely have an agenda you're trying to promote.

billfor 6mo ago
Post the correct facts rather than arguing about the source. Here’s the most recent report from a “correct” source. https://www.iucn-pbsg.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/11/PBSG-Status-Criteria-and-Report_Final_2024Oct7.pdf https://www.iucn-pbsg.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/11/PBSG-St... Read that and explain why the population is decreasing — the only point he made was that it was not.
- hervature 6mo ago
  Thank you. You read my post for its substance and interacted with it in good faith. You are a true HNer and if you are ever in LV, I will gladly buy you a beer.
hervature 6mo ago
To be honest, I just looked up the report and did not not notice it came from there. My only agenda was that it was the only report that clearly showed the average and CI of the different studies throughout the years. WWF links to the actual report [1] which is found at [2]. They try their very hardest to not show that the population is either stable or increasing. If you look at decreases, for example in Davis Strait, it is a loss of 1% with 0% in the 95% interval. Anyway, I do admit that linking from that website is not a good look but all I did was link the report and I am not advocating for anything else on their website. My larger point, the climate change community does not need the polar bears to drive their point. It is a bad example and we should use one of the many other verifiable sources (ice sheet loss, sea level rise, droughts, etc.) instead. [1] - https://www.arcticwwf.org/wildlife/polar-bear/polar-bear-population/ https://www.arcticwwf.org/wildlife/polar-bear/polar-bear-pop... [2] - https://www.iucn-pbsg.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/11/PBSG-Status-Criteria-and-Report_Final_2024Oct7.pdf https://www.iucn-pbsg.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/11/PBSG-St...

billfor 6mo ago

Post the correct facts rather than arguing about the source. Here’s the most recent report from a “correct” source. https://www.iucn-pbsg.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/11/PBSG-Status-Criteria-and-Report_Final_2024Oct7.pdf https://www.iucn-pbsg.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/11/PBSG-St... Read that and explain why the population is decreasing — the only point he made was that it was not.

hervature 6mo ago
Thank you. You read my post for its substance and interacted with it in good faith. You are a true HNer and if you are ever in LV, I will gladly buy you a beer.

hervature 6mo ago

To be honest, I just looked up the report and did not not notice it came from there. My only agenda was that it was the only report that clearly showed the average and CI of the different studies throughout the years. WWF links to the actual report [1] which is found at [2]. They try their very hardest to not show that the population is either stable or increasing. If you look at decreases, for example in Davis Strait, it is a loss of 1% with 0% in the 95% interval. Anyway, I do admit that linking from that website is not a good look but all I did was link the report and I am not advocating for anything else on their website. My larger point, the climate change community does not need the polar bears to drive their point. It is a bad example and we should use one of the many other verifiable sources (ice sheet loss, sea level rise, droughts, etc.) instead. [1] - https://www.arcticwwf.org/wildlife/polar-bear/polar-bear-population/ https://www.arcticwwf.org/wildlife/polar-bear/polar-bear-pop... [2] - https://www.iucn-pbsg.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/11/PBSG-Status-Criteria-and-Report_Final_2024Oct7.pdf https://www.iucn-pbsg.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/11/PBSG-St...