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From an espionage perspective your own government is the safest. But from a civil rights perspective your own government is your most immediate threat. China is

From an espionage perspective your own government is the safest. But from a civil rights perspective your own government is your most immediate threat. China isn't going to arrest me for my opinions on Netanyahu, my own government could And the US government has repeatedly shown that it is very interested in collecting all the data available, just like China. In China this is simply done in the open while the US has a veneer of protection for citizens. But where the data collection is forbidden by law they either ignore the law or ask another five eyes member to do the spying and share the results. Both are well documented

malshe 7mo ago
> China isn't going to arrest me for my opinions on Netanyahu, my own government could I don't know whether you really believe this or it was an off the cuff remark. China is not going to tell you why they plan to arrest you. China is not a benevolent dictatorship.
- wongarsu 7mo ago
  The actual offense isn't important, nor is whether they arrest me or just kick in my door and look through my stuff. What matters is that if I'm not in China I don't have to particularly care what Chinese officials think about me. My local police can kick in my door, Chinese police can't. At least as long as I stay out of China
  - zozbot234 7mo ago
    As a matter of fact, there's been multiple reports of the Chinese doing informal, heavy "policing" of their own citizens abroad. Even if you aren't Chinese or linked to China yourself, this does affect the strength of that particular argument.
    - justinclift 7mo ago
      > ... this does affect the strength of that particular argument. It doesn't really affect the strength of that particular argument. And you're being misleading, seemingly on purpose. Please don't.
- fdsjgfklsfd 7mo ago
  The US government is vastly more likely to break down my door and arrest me for my speech than the Chinese government is. (Because I live in the US.)

malshe 7mo ago

> China isn't going to arrest me for my opinions on Netanyahu, my own government could I don't know whether you really believe this or it was an off the cuff remark. China is not going to tell you why they plan to arrest you. China is not a benevolent dictatorship.

wongarsu 7mo ago
The actual offense isn't important, nor is whether they arrest me or just kick in my door and look through my stuff. What matters is that if I'm not in China I don't have to particularly care what Chinese officials think about me. My local police can kick in my door, Chinese police can't. At least as long as I stay out of China
- zozbot234 7mo ago
  As a matter of fact, there's been multiple reports of the Chinese doing informal, heavy "policing" of their own citizens abroad. Even if you aren't Chinese or linked to China yourself, this does affect the strength of that particular argument.
  - justinclift 7mo ago
    > ... this does affect the strength of that particular argument. It doesn't really affect the strength of that particular argument. And you're being misleading, seemingly on purpose. Please don't.
fdsjgfklsfd 7mo ago
The US government is vastly more likely to break down my door and arrest me for my speech than the Chinese government is. (Because I live in the US.)