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Now how much time do you waste on a 700 mile road trip the way you recharge? I suspect something around 1-2 hours extra time. Compare it with gas station's 20 m

by storus 7mo ago

Now how much time do you waste on a 700 mile road trip the way you recharge? I suspect something around 1-2 hours extra time. Compare it with gas station's 20 minutes overall including a short toilet break. For rapid charging you also need an expensive EV, whereas any gasoline clunker would do "fast tank filling".

cogman10 7mo ago
> Now how much time do you waste on a 700 mile road trip the way you recharge? About 2 hours. And as luck would have it, I also did that trip with an ICE. My non-driving time added about an hour. > Compare it with gas station's 20 minutes overall including a short toilet break. Which you still need to do at least a couple of times driving 700 miles. Also, that's 10 hours of driving, you need more than just a single 20 minute break for that much driving. > For rapid charging you also need an expensive EV, If you are making 700 mile trips, you'll need an EV with decent range anyways. All of those support fast charging. Actually, all EVs I'm aware of support fast charging. The slowest I know of is the leaf, but even that supports 50kW charging. Look, if you are in the business of doing a weekly 700 mile drive in the snow pulling a loaded trailer, don't get an EV. You have my blessing. Most people aren't doing anything like that. My 700 mile round trip happens twice a year, roughly, and the added 1 hour over an ICE is no big deal. Distances more than that, and I'm probably flying.
- storus 7mo ago
  So you are essentially agreeing with me that the tech is not there yet - either it underperforms compared to ICE or it's much more expensive when it matches ICE. In other words, I should wait a few years until it catches up price-wise or convenience-wise. I don't really care about luxury or "driving inside a smartphone" experience, but just need something reliable that doesn't hinder me. Wasting 2 extra hours on a 10h hour trip is too much; I typically try to do it as quickly as possible to have more time for target activities.
  - cogman10 7mo ago
    > So you are essentially agreeing with me that the tech is not there yet That's a bad faith reading of my comment. Do better.

by storus 7mo ago

cogman10 7mo ago

> Now how much time do you waste on a 700 mile road trip the way you recharge? About 2 hours. And as luck would have it, I also did that trip with an ICE. My non-driving time added about an hour. > Compare it with gas station's 20 minutes overall including a short toilet break. Which you still need to do at least a couple of times driving 700 miles. Also, that's 10 hours of driving, you need more than just a single 20 minute break for that much driving. > For rapid charging you also need an expensive EV, If you are making 700 mile trips, you'll need an EV with decent range anyways. All of those support fast charging. Actually, all EVs I'm aware of support fast charging. The slowest I know of is the leaf, but even that supports 50kW charging. Look, if you are in the business of doing a weekly 700 mile drive in the snow pulling a loaded trailer, don't get an EV. You have my blessing. Most people aren't doing anything like that. My 700 mile round trip happens twice a year, roughly, and the added 1 hour over an ICE is no big deal. Distances more than that, and I'm probably flying.

storus 7mo ago
So you are essentially agreeing with me that the tech is not there yet - either it underperforms compared to ICE or it's much more expensive when it matches ICE. In other words, I should wait a few years until it catches up price-wise or convenience-wise. I don't really care about luxury or "driving inside a smartphone" experience, but just need something reliable that doesn't hinder me. Wasting 2 extra hours on a 10h hour trip is too much; I typically try to do it as quickly as possible to have more time for target activities.
- cogman10 7mo ago
  > So you are essentially agreeing with me that the tech is not there yet That's a bad faith reading of my comment. Do better.