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Ughhh, Elon Moosk amirite? Such a fraud, because [???] I don't really understand why these kinds of comments persist except as some pathological cope when conf

• pineaux 6mo ago
  just saying: he is good at vaporware on a large scale and kind of a fucked up person. It's not weird people are skeptical. But he also has basically an endless money supply so he can throw money at problems and make them go away eventually. But his timelines are basically all lies used to get venture and retail money into the game.
  • prohobo 6mo ago
    That describes basically all founders though, minus the endless money supply. That's how business/sales works: make promises, build product later. Also SpaceX, Tesla, PayPal, OpenAI, Grok and Neuralink aren't vaporware... The claim fundamentally doesn't make any sense.
    • jojobas 6mo ago
      Cybertruck, Semi, Hyperloop, robotaxi, point-to-point rocket travel, tunnels, the list goes on. Making promises and "it's essentially ready, it's just about regulators" are quite different, if not for Trump he'd be done for securities fraud.
      • prohobo 6mo ago
        All of those exist or are being worked on, so I don't get it. Except maybe hyperloop, which was abandoned afaik. What are you even trying to say? That these projects are totally fake? AI generated or something? Like the Moon landing was fake?
        • gulfofamerica 6mo ago
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        • jojobas 6mo ago
          Of course they are real, just like Theranos, except that one was less fraudulent.
          • NetMageSCW 6mo ago
            The one with sales in seven countries and over 50,000 vehicles driving on roads?
      • NetMageSCW 6mo ago
        Hyperloop was never a Musk project — it was a back of the napkin suggestion he gave away.
• SR2Z 6mo ago
  I fully agree with you, but the answer is obviously "because he's a very unpleasant man."
  • dmurray 6mo ago
    Lots of powerful people are unpleasant, but Musk additionally got involved in politics in a very visible way at a very partisan, polarising time in American history. He didn't attract as much hate before 2024.
    • pirate787 6mo ago
      Maybe more people should listen to Musk's political message. The Biden Administration was playing nasty games, blocking progress on both SpaceX and AI generally.
      • prohobo 6mo ago
        That's beside the point... Fact is, there's a schism and no one crosses it. Elon picked a side I guess, so the other side hates him.
      • SR2Z 6mo ago
        The Biden admin was TRYING to slow down AI. It did not work for them. As for SpaceX I'm not sure what you mean seeing as how the government is easily its largest customer...
• JumpCrisscross 6mo ago
  > don't really understand why these kinds of comments persist One, you can make money criticizing Elon on the internet. Two, controversy is catnip to the man. DOGE was a disaster. X and xAI look like aborted disasters. And he’s clearly gotten bored with Tesla. It isn’t hard to project that on SpaceX if you don’t know the heritage.
  • specialist 6mo ago
    My guess is Tesla's pivoting to batteries and storage. Huge demand, great margins, competitive advantage. I'm very disappointed Tesla has (seemingly) abandoned its goal of producing 20m Model 2 per year. Forfeiting the mass market is a bummer. More so every passing day. (I'm bearish on Robotaxi and (Tesla's) self-driving.)
• nancyminusone 6mo ago
  He's a much bigger asshole than he is a fraud, but he is a fraud too. There's no hype like Musk hype.
• specialist 6mo ago
  > confronted with a world that doesn't work the way you want it to Sure. Some of us are just trying to figure out the new rules. What is all this hypercapitalism stuff (aka Muskism) and who are the people (lunatics) pushing us there? So it's natural to kibitz about one of the most powerful people on the planet. Especially when he's also a world-striding shit poster, antagonizing everyone, demanding a response. FWIW: the writings of Jill Lepore, Quinn Slobobian, and Ben Tarnoff have been most illuminating. Ditto their misc guest appearances on various podcasts. X Man: The Elon Musk Origin Story https://www.pushkin.fm/podcasts/elon-musk-the-evening-rocket https://www.pushkin.fm/podcasts/elon-musk-the-evening-rocket Elon Musk Is Building a Sci-Fi World, and the Rest of Us Are Trapped in It Nov. 4, 2021 https://www.nytimes.com/2021/11/04/opinion/elon-musk-capitalism.html https://www.nytimes.com/2021/11/04/opinion/elon-musk-capital... Muskism: Guide for the Perplexed https://www.amazon.com/Muskism-Guide-Perplexed-Quinn-Slobodian-ebook/dp/B0DZ1DX2HS https://www.amazon.com/Muskism-Guide-Perplexed-Quinn-Slobodi... https://bookshop.org/p/books/muskism-a-guide-for-the-perplexed-ben-tarnoff/3d177fb9349a79ff https://bookshop.org/p/books/muskism-a-guide-for-the-perplex... https://www.theguardian.com/books/2026/mar/26/muskism-by-quinn-slobodian-and-ben-tarnoff-review-how-elon-musk-is-reshaping-the-world https://www.theguardian.com/books/2026/mar/26/muskism-by-qui... https://www.standard.co.uk/culture/books/muskism-review-elon-musk-book-quinn-slobodian-ben-tarnoff-b1276438.html https://www.standard.co.uk/culture/books/muskism-review-elon...
  • prohobo 6mo ago
    So you just hate him. Great. Now stop derailing every thread related to NASA/Spacex launches.
    • specialist 6mo ago
      Citations, please.