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According to general relativity, you (and the ground) are accelerating at 1g, and feel weight because your inertia resists that acceleration. If you jump off a
by p1mrx 6mo ago
According to general relativity, you (and the ground) are accelerating at 1g, and feel weight because your inertia resists that acceleration. If you jump off a cliff, you'll stop accelerating for a bit, until the ground hits you.
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> I am standing on the ground. I feel 1G acceleration. My speed is not changing. How much am I accelerating?
You are accelerating at 1g through curved spacetime. Newtonian "speed" behaves strangely in curved spacetime.
- marcus_holmes 6mo agoI am standing on the ground. I feel 1G acceleration. My speed is not changing. How much am I accelerating?
- hcs 6mo agoYou are more quickly being carried by the ground further from where you would otherwise be. Hope that clears it up.
- marcus_holmes 6mo agoNot really, no. The ground isn't moving. I'm not moving. I get that if the ground wasn't there, I would be moving, but that's not the same thing, I think? Like I said in another response, I have always been told that acceleration is change in velocity over time. If my velocity is not changing, I don't understand how I'm accelerating? I do understand that gravity exerts a force that is indistinguishable from acceleration, which was my original point. But that doesn't mean it is acceleration.
- brabel 6mo agoYou say later that you think gravity and acceleration look the same but cannot be the same , which is funny since that’s exactly what relativity says: if two things are indistinguishable from each other even in principle, then they must be the same. Which is what led Einstein to realize that gravity really is just a curvature in space time. Hard to wrap your head around that! But if you study relativity, you eventually understand what being relative actually means.
- tsimionescu 6mo agoYou need to take into account your entire 4-vector for speed. You don't just have a speed in the 3 spatial coordinates, you're also moving thorough the "time" coordinate, and that is happening at a slower pace near a large mass like the Earth than it would of you were far away from here.
- layer8 6mo agoYour speed relative to what? There is no absolute speed. Relative to an inertial rest frame, you're accelerating upwards at 1G, which is what you are feeling and what an accelerometer is measuring. Of course, relative to the non-inertial reference frame of the ground, your speed doesn't change.
- JumpCrisscross 6mo ago> According to general relativity, you (and the ground) are accelerating at 1g I don't believe this is correct. If I lock two rockets in opposition to each other, they aren't accelerating. They're pushing at each other. And their propellant is accelarating away. But their displacement and orientation are unchanging, which means their velocity is zero which means acceleration isn't happening. Similarly, the normal force resists your gravitational force to produce zero net acceleration. (An object at rest in a gravity well is its own local frame.) > If you jump off a cliff, you'll stop accelerating for a bit, until the ground hits you I don't believe this is correct. In GR, free fall is still inertial motion. You're just free of fictitious forces and thus following the curvature of spacetime.
- tsimionescu 6mo agoIt is correct, and you're also right that two rockets tethered to each other would not feel acceleration. The acceleration we feel in Earth's gravitational field is affecting our speed, though - it's slowing down the speed at which we move towards the future.
- JumpCrisscross 6mo ago> you're also right that two rockets tethered to each other would not feel acceleration I just realized that the energy of the exhaust would warp local spacetime. So one might feel acceleration depending on how that geometry settles.
- ben_w 6mo agoAs I understand it, in GR acceleration is indistinguishable* from gravity, so while you're on the ground feeling 1 gee, you're being accelerated up at 1 gee, and so is the ground. When you're in free-fall, that's when you're in a non-accelerating frame, even though a non-relativistic description** would say that you are, in fact, accelerating. Caveat: I only do physics as a hobby, neither academically nor professionally, so take with appropriate degree of doubt. * for point-like observers at least ** ignoring rotation and curved orbits