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I don't really understand why they're so against doing proper advertising, so much so that they're willing to operate at a loss. Digg didn't fail because of adv
by citricsquid 14y ago
I don't really understand why they're so against doing proper advertising, so much so that they're willing to operate at a loss. Digg didn't fail because of advertising and if reddit can approach advertising in a "mature" way -- not just going after every penny -- it could work out well.
you come under editorial pressure from advertisers to
remove or modify it…This eventually results in a
watering down of the true, authentic content on the site
If you're in a situation where you have no advertising and you're losing money, why not be in a situation where you have some advertising and if an advertiser gets annoyed you tell them to leave and not work with you again? If reddit has value to advertisers a few annoyed advertisers aren't going to break the site, especially when it can exist as a money losing business.
Their current advertising is just... pointless, I rarely see adverts on reddit, almost every page load has the advertisement block filled with an internal reddit notice (eg: "check out the FAQ!", "Thanks for not using adblock", "check out reddit gifts") or an advert that someone has paid for via self serve for their subreddit.
Maybe I'm missing something but surely even just throwing up a simple adsense block in the advertising space would generate enough revenue to be worth whatever supposed good will these cutesy cat picture adverts exist to score. Adsense certainly wouldn't "destroy" the trust people have placed in the site... As someone that puts time into reddit I'd be more annoyed if they let the site become so unprofitable they have to shut it down vs. have a few adverts that I can opt out of with a tiny monthly fee.
Would anyone here (that uses reddit) leave if they had proper advertising (that could be opted out of with reddit gold and was not audio / video advertisements, just "standard" web adverts)? I've never met someone willing to leave a website over adverts, if the adverts are reasonable.
Also during the time I wrote this comment I was constantly refreshing reddit.com, so far I have not seen a single non-reddit related advert and I'm at 30 page loads.
(maybe raldi or jedberg or whoever that left reddit and lurks here can explain why this isn't being done, because it's confusing, is there an internal belief that reddit users are so touchy that they'll leave if reddit tries proper advertising?)
edit: oh and for the perfect example, imgur has advertising, what about 75% of popular reddit content uses, and I don't see people boycotting imgur? (of the 100 links in r/all right now 75 are to imgur, 25 of those are to imgur.com which has advertising, so that means 25% of the front page links go straight to imgur with adverts)
edit edit: in an attempt to explain my opinion succinctly, I think the real problem reddit has is the toxic idea that any attempt to make money will alienate the community, when in reality the majority of reddit users don't care and the vocal minority would not leave the site as long as the advertisements were reasonable. People want a stable website that they can be a part of, advertisements don't destroy that. Look at how many people love imgur, 9gag and funnyjunk. Having so little faith in reddit users ability to deal with adverts is to me more "insulting" than the adverts themselves.
- sliverstorm 14y agoProbably as simple as they've watched past businesses that monetized via advertising, didn't like what they saw, but are still struggling to come up with alternatives. Once they figure out how to monetize effectively, they'll really have something hot on their hands, so I'd bet it seems like a good idea to tread carefully and tolerate some loses for now.
- loceng 14y agoIt's really just one of many revenue streams I imagine they will try to tap. People feel like it's a community as well, and if they're willing to give back, which reenforces the individual's sense of connection, then it can work.
- rm999 14y ago>Digg didn't fail because of advertising I agree with your point and I agree with this. But something interesting I remember from when Yishan was hired is this comment by kn0thing (cofounder Alexis Ohanian) http://www.reddit.com/r/blog/comments/qnyy7/new_reddit_ceo_reporting_for_duty/c3z2grj http://www.reddit.com/r/blog/comments/qnyy7/new_reddit_ceo_r... >I asked all of the candidates I interviewed the question: "Why did digg fail?" Yishan knows. And I'll do everything in my capacity as a board member of reddit, inc. to make sure he doesn't fuck it up.
- citricsquid 14y agoFrom that comment thread I found this answer about why Digg failed from Yishan: http://www.quora.com/What-are-some-examples-of-changes-upgrades-etc.-that-Digg-implemented-in-response-to-customer-feedback-that-was-detrimental-to-its-growth-possible-loss-of-momentum http://www.quora.com/What-are-some-examples-of-changes-upgra... Digg stagnated because it listened to a vocal minority of its community but rather they are locked into an unchanging mediocrity by the inherent conservatism of their existing userbase isn't this EXACTLY what he is doing here? He's letting the minority decide that reddit shouldn't have adverts and shouldn't try and be profitable and should cling to the idea that reddit is one big happy family that is sitting around telling each other stories by the camp fire as they all help fuel that campfire. Most people I know that use reddit don't have an account, let alone are willing to pay money towards reddit. Shouldn't reddit move forward; accept that yeah some of the vocal minority might hate adverts but with proper advertising they could transform the sites financial situation and hire enough people to make the site able to grow and adapt alongside the demand for the site? Lots of the comments on the blog post seem to have the same sentiment: the reddit admins are never around and the site barely seems to be updated, if people feel that way wouldn't they be happy to take an extra ad or 2 to see that change? I would love to see an extra 2 adverts on every reddit page if it meant the site could grow and adapt and offer all the features it should have but are left up to the community to build (see: reddit enhancement suite). There's so much reddit could be...