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I think Airplanes are going to be pretty profitable. They are sort of running a market cornering operation there. But, there will be competition eventually. Sta

I think Airplanes are going to be pretty profitable. They are sort of running a market cornering operation there. But, there will be competition eventually. Starlink is way faster than the alternatives so most airlines have switched and Starlink has rapidly increased their prices for aviation. Idk if it's enough though, they are definitely running lots of promos for home customers.

raw_anon_1111 7mo ago
Delta’s ViaSat based Wireless is fine. The latency is hire. But it really isn’t a competitive disadvantage.
- telotortium 7mo ago
  If Starlink becomes common enough on flights, I absolutely believe it will be a competitive disadvantage.
  - 8note 7mo ago
    would you choose a flight that's $200 more expensive because it has starlink?
    - koolba 7mo ago
      Maybe not $200, but $20-$50 for a cross country flight for sure.
      - ghaff 7mo ago
        I wouldn’t. I have literally never bought WiFi on a flight in the course of probably hundreds of flights. Good opportunity to unplug.
      - kalleboo 7mo ago
        If a flight had in-flight Wi-Fi that cost $50 you'd pay for it? Most people I know balk at $10 even on an intercontinental flight
        ac29 7mo ago
        $10/hr for high speed internet on a flight doesn't seem that bad if you have a good use for it. A single drink can be more
    - wnc3141 7mo ago
      No but the airline might choose starlink. I think a gogo business install is on the hundreds of thousands and annual costs in the tens of thousand for their Eutelesat based system.
    - telotortium 7mo ago
      If I’m flying for work and Starlink is that much better, quite possibly. My wife’s experience with other in-flight WiFi providers has been quite poor, often to the point that it barely works. Having said that, neither of us has been on a flight with Starlink yet.
      - raw_anon_1111 7mo ago
        Which airline? Airlines have been moving away from land based WiFi to much faster satellite WiFi for years
        telotortium 7mo ago
        In this case, it was United, almost all transpacific flights. I've read that United has started to move to Starlink, but only on a few flights so far.
  - raw_anon_1111 7mo ago
    I have been flying a lot post Covid between it being a hobby of ours and consulting - I’m currently Platinum Medallion on Delta. Frequent flyers choose their airlines for a lot of reasons - which airline has the most direct flights from their city, who has the best frequent flyer program, etc. The latency of the Internet is seldom a factor or the difference between 10Mbps and 50Mbps. Non frequent flyers just buy the cheapest flights. The major three airlines make money off of business travelers, business and first class flights and credit cards.
dotancohen 7mo ago
> I think Airplanes are going to be pretty profitable. Anything at sea, too. Going on a cruise? The cruise ship can offer you Wifi backed by Starlink for another few bucks. Or even your cell provider could get you hooked right up to Starlink for some phones. Container ships, military vessels, even fishing expeditions could enjoy an internet connection and cell service.
- drzaiusx11 7mo ago
  It's big in the recreational boating community, as those folks generally have the disposable income to support a SpaceX ISP subscription. Worldwide there's roughly 30 million recreational boats, whereas for commercial aircraft carrying people (not cargo) is more like 30k, so different orders if magnitude. It's highly likely boating would be a more profitable industry to satisfy demand for than airlines in the long term. That is unless they're charging exorbitantly more for airline contracts than personal boat use, which is totally possible.
jaccola 7mo ago
Amazon Leo just signed delta as a customer so competition is indeed close behind. I think SpaceX is an incredible company but at this valuation I’d expect it to have something as pervasive as the iPhone or Nvidia chips. It seems to have only small niches.
- laughing_man 7mo ago
  But you're just looking at internet. SpaceX has the lion's share of the world's launch market, if you include Starlink. https://x.com/FutureJurvetson/status/2038811249232732275 https://x.com/FutureJurvetson/status/2038811249232732275
dgellow 7mo ago
That sounds pretty niche. And airlines have already extremely thin margin (that have been eaten by fuel price increase). I wouldn’t be surprised if they drop that type of luxury
- flyinglizard 7mo ago
  It’s another product for airlines to sell and make money off. It also serves to keep passengers entertained and content. It’s going to be a very strong market for Starlink IMHO.

raw_anon_1111 7mo ago

Delta’s ViaSat based Wireless is fine. The latency is hire. But it really isn’t a competitive disadvantage.

telotortium 7mo ago
If Starlink becomes common enough on flights, I absolutely believe it will be a competitive disadvantage.
- 8note 7mo ago
  would you choose a flight that's $200 more expensive because it has starlink?
  - koolba 7mo ago
    Maybe not $200, but $20-$50 for a cross country flight for sure.
    - ghaff 7mo ago
      I wouldn’t. I have literally never bought WiFi on a flight in the course of probably hundreds of flights. Good opportunity to unplug.
    - kalleboo 7mo ago
      If a flight had in-flight Wi-Fi that cost $50 you'd pay for it? Most people I know balk at $10 even on an intercontinental flight
      - ac29 7mo ago
        $10/hr for high speed internet on a flight doesn't seem that bad if you have a good use for it. A single drink can be more
  - wnc3141 7mo ago
    No but the airline might choose starlink. I think a gogo business install is on the hundreds of thousands and annual costs in the tens of thousand for their Eutelesat based system.
  - telotortium 7mo ago
    If I’m flying for work and Starlink is that much better, quite possibly. My wife’s experience with other in-flight WiFi providers has been quite poor, often to the point that it barely works. Having said that, neither of us has been on a flight with Starlink yet.
    - raw_anon_1111 7mo ago
      Which airline? Airlines have been moving away from land based WiFi to much faster satellite WiFi for years
      - telotortium 7mo ago
        In this case, it was United, almost all transpacific flights. I've read that United has started to move to Starlink, but only on a few flights so far.
- raw_anon_1111 7mo ago
  I have been flying a lot post Covid between it being a hobby of ours and consulting - I’m currently Platinum Medallion on Delta. Frequent flyers choose their airlines for a lot of reasons - which airline has the most direct flights from their city, who has the best frequent flyer program, etc. The latency of the Internet is seldom a factor or the difference between 10Mbps and 50Mbps. Non frequent flyers just buy the cheapest flights. The major three airlines make money off of business travelers, business and first class flights and credit cards.

dotancohen 7mo ago

> I think Airplanes are going to be pretty profitable. Anything at sea, too. Going on a cruise? The cruise ship can offer you Wifi backed by Starlink for another few bucks. Or even your cell provider could get you hooked right up to Starlink for some phones. Container ships, military vessels, even fishing expeditions could enjoy an internet connection and cell service.

drzaiusx11 7mo ago
It's big in the recreational boating community, as those folks generally have the disposable income to support a SpaceX ISP subscription. Worldwide there's roughly 30 million recreational boats, whereas for commercial aircraft carrying people (not cargo) is more like 30k, so different orders if magnitude. It's highly likely boating would be a more profitable industry to satisfy demand for than airlines in the long term. That is unless they're charging exorbitantly more for airline contracts than personal boat use, which is totally possible.

jaccola 7mo ago

Amazon Leo just signed delta as a customer so competition is indeed close behind. I think SpaceX is an incredible company but at this valuation I’d expect it to have something as pervasive as the iPhone or Nvidia chips. It seems to have only small niches.

laughing_man 7mo ago
But you're just looking at internet. SpaceX has the lion's share of the world's launch market, if you include Starlink. https://x.com/FutureJurvetson/status/2038811249232732275 https://x.com/FutureJurvetson/status/2038811249232732275

dgellow 7mo ago

That sounds pretty niche. And airlines have already extremely thin margin (that have been eaten by fuel price increase). I wouldn’t be surprised if they drop that type of luxury

flyinglizard 7mo ago
It’s another product for airlines to sell and make money off. It also serves to keep passengers entertained and content. It’s going to be a very strong market for Starlink IMHO.