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Overall it's worse than the other frontier models, but it's decent for queries about breaking news, due to being trained on twitter data. It's also better for

Overall it's worse than the other frontier models, but it's decent for queries about breaking news, due to being trained on twitter data. It's also better for queries about controversial topics, and topics that the other labs have deemed to be "unsafe". Politically, it differs quite a bit from other models.[0] It's right leaning, although it's closer neutral than other models, defining what neutral is a challenge though. [0]: https://arxiv.org/abs/2603.23841 https://arxiv.org/abs/2603.23841

numpad0 6mo ago
Wasn't it just, likely, a Claude proxy, then a local LLM for a while, then now-ish an OpenRouter proxy?
bdangubic 6mo ago
> due to being trained on twitter data twitter data is 70%+ bots (probably more than that now)
- BurningFrog 6mo ago
  Grok is of course also trained on the same giant blob of "all human writing" that the other models are trained on.
seabass-labrax 6mo ago
The study you link to doesn't take into consideration the Overton window of opinions. Perhaps there's some dimension along which you could say that one ideology lies 'opposite' to another political persuasion, but that doesn't necessarily mean that the two ideologies are equally acceptable to support in a given society. I don't think calling defining neutral a 'challenge' does the question justice - neutral will always be context-dependent, and what may be in the center of the Overton window of one society may be unpopular or even highly illegal in a different society.
BurningFrog 6mo ago
The stated goal for Grok is to be as truthful as possible. Maybe that shows up as being more right leaning than the competition.
- Natfan 6mo ago
  stated goal ≠ output see: democratic people's republic of korea, the chinese communist party, american first
- krige 6mo ago
  Grok and Elon's ventures in general should really get the Purpose of a System treatement in public discourse. For all we know the purpose of Grok is to make nude edits of people. You can assign this to left or right leaning as you please.
  - BurningFrog 6mo ago
    The obligatory "Elon is a poophead!" responses anytime you mention Elon without criticizing him is my least favorite thing about this forum.
    - Spooky23 6mo ago
      He is a literally walking felony who in an era with an effective regulatory system would be at minimum barred from running public companies. If you’re not one of the nerds stuck in 2014, and still enthralled with the Elon reality field and the Mars grift, taxi grift, robot laundry grift, etc, it’s pretty obvious.

numpad0 6mo ago

Wasn't it just, likely, a Claude proxy, then a local LLM for a while, then now-ish an OpenRouter proxy?

bdangubic 6mo ago

> due to being trained on twitter data twitter data is 70%+ bots (probably more than that now)

BurningFrog 6mo ago
Grok is of course also trained on the same giant blob of "all human writing" that the other models are trained on.

seabass-labrax 6mo ago

The study you link to doesn't take into consideration the Overton window of opinions. Perhaps there's some dimension along which you could say that one ideology lies 'opposite' to another political persuasion, but that doesn't necessarily mean that the two ideologies are equally acceptable to support in a given society. I don't think calling defining neutral a 'challenge' does the question justice - neutral will always be context-dependent, and what may be in the center of the Overton window of one society may be unpopular or even highly illegal in a different society.

BurningFrog 6mo ago

The stated goal for Grok is to be as truthful as possible. Maybe that shows up as being more right leaning than the competition.

Natfan 6mo ago
stated goal ≠ output see: democratic people's republic of korea, the chinese communist party, american first
krige 6mo ago
Grok and Elon's ventures in general should really get the Purpose of a System treatement in public discourse. For all we know the purpose of Grok is to make nude edits of people. You can assign this to left or right leaning as you please.
- BurningFrog 6mo ago
  The obligatory "Elon is a poophead!" responses anytime you mention Elon without criticizing him is my least favorite thing about this forum.
  - Spooky23 6mo ago
    He is a literally walking felony who in an era with an effective regulatory system would be at minimum barred from running public companies. If you’re not one of the nerds stuck in 2014, and still enthralled with the Elon reality field and the Mars grift, taxi grift, robot laundry grift, etc, it’s pretty obvious.