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In the context of an online marketplace "Unlocked" means "Not carrier locked". This has _nothing_ to do with the bootloader.

by lnx01 6mo ago

zenGull 6mo ago
100% this.
OsrsNeedsf2P 6mo ago
Maybe. But Swappa confirmed it meant bootloader unlock
- wildzzz 6mo ago
  I wonder if the person you talked to actually knew what they were talking about. Swappa explains what an unlocked device means in their FAQ and a bootloader is not mentioned. https://swappa.com/faq/answer/unlocked-device https://swappa.com/faq/answer/unlocked-device
  - jerlam 6mo ago
    That's sad, because one of Swappa's main selling points (and the reason they got popular) is that they started out as a marketplace for Android phones, and should specifically know about rooted / bootloader unlocked / etc. phones. Enthusiast stuff. Their About page says: > The inspiration for Swappa sparked when Ben had trouble finding a good source for test devices for Android development projects.
    - wildzzz 6mo ago
      I guarantee you that most people buying used phones are more concerned if the phone will work with their existing phone plan than if they can use it as a development testbench.
zozbot234 6mo ago
If it's not a carrier locked device, what would be the reason for it not to be OEM unlockable once connected to the Internet? This is not about the device being logged into an existing user account, that would trigger FRP which is something different.
- deleted 6mo ago
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Groxx 6mo ago
Is there a difference there for a Pixel? I thought those bootloaders have always been unlockable (after carrier unlocking, which should be possible after the contract is paid off).
bentley 6mo ago
Well, it has something to do with it. In the context of Pixels, carrier‐unlocked phones always allow the bootloader to be unlocked, Verizon‐locked phones never do (see, e.g., https://discuss.grapheneos.org/d/24254-no-way-to-use-my-verizon-pixel https://discuss.grapheneos.org/d/24254-no-way-to-use-my-veri...), and for other carriers it varies but often requires additional manual fiddling. To quote the GrapheneOS FAQ: > Devices sold in partnership with specific carriers may be locked by the carrier, which will prevent installing GrapheneOS. This is primarily an issue with US carriers and isn't common elsewhere in the world. To avoid this, either don't buy a carrier device, or make sure it can be unlocked.
mindslight 6mo ago
Someone can be forgiven for thinking that "unlocked" means "not locked" rather than "locked but with only one lock". I only buy used devices from online marketplaces/vendors with free returns, as it keeps the incentives aligned such that sellers don't want to hide defects (as it just increases their return rate).

In the context of an online marketplace "Unlocked" means "Not carrier locked". This has _nothing_ to do with the bootloader.

by lnx01 6mo ago

In the context of an online marketplace "Unlocked" means "Not carrier locked". This has _nothing_ to do with the bootloader.

zenGull 6mo ago

100% this.

OsrsNeedsf2P 6mo ago

Maybe. But Swappa confirmed it meant bootloader unlock

wildzzz 6mo ago
I wonder if the person you talked to actually knew what they were talking about. Swappa explains what an unlocked device means in their FAQ and a bootloader is not mentioned. https://swappa.com/faq/answer/unlocked-device https://swappa.com/faq/answer/unlocked-device
- jerlam 6mo ago
  That's sad, because one of Swappa's main selling points (and the reason they got popular) is that they started out as a marketplace for Android phones, and should specifically know about rooted / bootloader unlocked / etc. phones. Enthusiast stuff. Their About page says: > The inspiration for Swappa sparked when Ben had trouble finding a good source for test devices for Android development projects.
  - wildzzz 6mo ago
    I guarantee you that most people buying used phones are more concerned if the phone will work with their existing phone plan than if they can use it as a development testbench.

zozbot234 6mo ago

If it's not a carrier locked device, what would be the reason for it not to be OEM unlockable once connected to the Internet? This is not about the device being logged into an existing user account, that would trigger FRP which is something different.

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Groxx 6mo ago

Is there a difference there for a Pixel? I thought those bootloaders have always been unlockable (after carrier unlocking, which should be possible after the contract is paid off).

bentley 6mo ago

Well, it has something to do with it. In the context of Pixels, carrier‐unlocked phones always allow the bootloader to be unlocked, Verizon‐locked phones never do (see, e.g., https://discuss.grapheneos.org/d/24254-no-way-to-use-my-verizon-pixel https://discuss.grapheneos.org/d/24254-no-way-to-use-my-veri...), and for other carriers it varies but often requires additional manual fiddling. To quote the GrapheneOS FAQ: > Devices sold in partnership with specific carriers may be locked by the carrier, which will prevent installing GrapheneOS. This is primarily an issue with US carriers and isn't common elsewhere in the world. To avoid this, either don't buy a carrier device, or make sure it can be unlocked.

mindslight 6mo ago

Someone can be forgiven for thinking that "unlocked" means "not locked" rather than "locked but with only one lock". I only buy used devices from online marketplaces/vendors with free returns, as it keeps the incentives aligned such that sellers don't want to hide defects (as it just increases their return rate).