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How much of that could be the lack of real social nets in the US compared to Europe? In addition, anecdotally, everyone I know in the EU that had a job pre cov

How much of that could be the lack of real social nets in the US compared to Europe? In addition, anecdotally, everyone I know in the EU that had a job pre covid has a job today. I can't say the same thing about folks in the US.

makapuf 7mo ago
The curious data point is that on this graph poverty seems to have strongly reduced during covid. Less poor.
- jeffbee 7mo ago
  Why does this surprise you? There were large, direct transfers to initially children, then everyone. This was the largest and most effective American anti-poverty program of all time.
- milesskorpen 7mo ago
  Huge amounts of cash were given to many Americans during Covid.
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weberer 7mo ago
That's not my experience in Finland. The unemployment rate passed 10% a few months ago. Youth unemployment is now over 20%.
- tovej 7mo ago
  Of course, this is due to the current Finnish govt. weakening its welfare system, driving down demand and creating incentive traps. I.e. making the economy more like the US.
  - weberer 7mo ago
    No, the current austerity measures are due to the national debt crisis in 2023, before the last parliamentary election. Even Yle acknowledged this beforehand. https://yle.fi/a/74-20007883 https://yle.fi/a/74-20007883 https://yle.fi/a/74-20017437 https://yle.fi/a/74-20017437
    - tovej 7mo ago
      I did not even mention the causes of austerity measures, I'm simply describing their effect. You are not even responding to anything in my post. Please try again.
      - weberer 7mo ago
        You're blaming the "current" Finnish government for austerity measures and implicitly removing blame from the previous administration for driving up the debt in the first place. I would just blame "the Finnish government" (over all administrations).
        tovej 7mo ago
        Uh, no. The unemployment is due to this govt. The austerity measures have led to purchasing power dwindling, leading to lowering domestic demand, and changes to unemployment, removing the possibility to do part-time work while on benefits has disincentivized people from becoming employed. These austerity measures have made the Finnish welfare system more U.S.-like. This is all I'm commenting on. My initial comment did not assign blame, it simply described the situation. The debt issue is separate from this point, since we're not talking about why these measures were made. But the debt is definitely not due to the previous govt. If you look at the data, the debt has been an issue since 2008 (just as it has been worldwide).

makapuf 7mo ago

The curious data point is that on this graph poverty seems to have strongly reduced during covid. Less poor.

jeffbee 7mo ago
Why does this surprise you? There were large, direct transfers to initially children, then everyone. This was the largest and most effective American anti-poverty program of all time.
milesskorpen 7mo ago
Huge amounts of cash were given to many Americans during Covid.
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weberer 7mo ago

That's not my experience in Finland. The unemployment rate passed 10% a few months ago. Youth unemployment is now over 20%.

tovej 7mo ago
Of course, this is due to the current Finnish govt. weakening its welfare system, driving down demand and creating incentive traps. I.e. making the economy more like the US.
- weberer 7mo ago
  No, the current austerity measures are due to the national debt crisis in 2023, before the last parliamentary election. Even Yle acknowledged this beforehand. https://yle.fi/a/74-20007883 https://yle.fi/a/74-20007883 https://yle.fi/a/74-20017437 https://yle.fi/a/74-20017437
  - tovej 7mo ago
    I did not even mention the causes of austerity measures, I'm simply describing their effect. You are not even responding to anything in my post. Please try again.
    - weberer 7mo ago
      You're blaming the "current" Finnish government for austerity measures and implicitly removing blame from the previous administration for driving up the debt in the first place. I would just blame "the Finnish government" (over all administrations).
      - tovej 7mo ago
        Uh, no. The unemployment is due to this govt. The austerity measures have led to purchasing power dwindling, leading to lowering domestic demand, and changes to unemployment, removing the possibility to do part-time work while on benefits has disincentivized people from becoming employed. These austerity measures have made the Finnish welfare system more U.S.-like. This is all I'm commenting on. My initial comment did not assign blame, it simply described the situation. The debt issue is separate from this point, since we're not talking about why these measures were made. But the debt is definitely not due to the previous govt. If you look at the data, the debt has been an issue since 2008 (just as it has been worldwide).