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> If you go back, like, 400 years ago, it never would have occurred to anybody to be introspective Dunno, Shakespeare died 410 years ago and soliloquies on int
by krona 6mo ago
> If you go back, like, 400 years ago, it never would have occurred to anybody to be introspective
Dunno, Shakespeare died 410 years ago and soliloquies on internal moral dilemmas and emotional states in Macbeth, Othello and Hamlet are a cornerstone of those plays.
- reedf1 6mo agoAnd homer and the entire corpus of greek plays.
- mc32 6mo agoIsn’t introspection a necessary ingredient to form morals?
- kelseyfrog 6mo agoNesbit and Wilson(1977)[1] suggest that we have little or no direct intro-spective access to higher order cognitive processes. Most of our behaviors are a result of System I thinking and most of our moral rationalizations exist as System II thinking. It's extremely difficult to do what we feel is wrong so it's easier to intellectually synthesize a frame where we're morally correct than force ourselves to act against our possibly wrong intuitions. 1. https://home.csulb.edu/~cwallis/382/readings/482/nisbett%20saying%20more.pdf https://home.csulb.edu/~cwallis/382/readings/482/nisbett%20s...
- curio_Pol_curio 6mo agoYour Sys-I vs II connection reminds me of Dijkstra's take on the moral dimension of the Buxton index https://thewavingcat.com/2024/03/on-the-buxton-index/ https://thewavingcat.com/2024/03/on-the-buxton-index/ In the sense that the very fact that different parts of one's mind work at different pace leads to internal moral conflicts Separately, your trend of thought might risk rationalising (For non-rugged-individualist): the need for a therapist. (For rugged individualist): the need for a therapist at _the same intellectual level_ (or, at a lower level, a therapist who can sympathize with their planning horizon)
- tolciho 6mo agoBuddhists really should get in on the introspective thing one of these years.
- christophilus 6mo agoYeah. I'd invert his assumption. Any reading of history shows a lot of introspection. Read the writings of everyday soldiers in the Civil War. Read any writings from any of the Catholic thinkers of the last 2000 years. Read the Greeks and Romans. Marcus Aurelius was exceptional in his quality, but not in his direction. There are so many such examples throughout history that I think it would be much harder to examples of the lack of introspection. If anything, I think the lack of introspection is a mostly modern phenomenon.
- tim333 6mo agoThe unexamined life is not worth living ~ 400 BC I imagine Andreessen was kind of trolling?
- eudamoniac 6mo agoThe quote is so obviously idiotic that I'd be shocked if it weren't quoted out of context entirely for clickbait. That being said I am not going to find and listen to that podcast to find out.