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> he vast majority of people trust the Iranian government Right... Nobody sane would trust an authoritarian regime which suppresses any type of free speech and

by pqtyw 7mo ago

> he vast majority of people trust the Iranian government Right... Nobody sane would trust an authoritarian regime which suppresses any type of free speech and and even banned the internet regardless of everything else. Mistrusting Israel is understandable but that seems tangential.

readitalready 7mo ago
You'd ban the internet too if you had a foreign military using it to communicate with armed insurrectionists. Yes, specifically you. YOU would do that too. War changes rules of a country.
- pqtyw 7mo ago
  I don't think I have the skillset and personality that would me allow to rise to the top of the hierarchy in a brutal totalitarian regime built on religious fanaticism. So no I would not do that. > armed insurrectionists Unfortunately not even remotely armed enough to make a difference... > War changes rules of a country. Oh so the Iranian regime was not murdering its own peacefully protesting citizens (regardless of the existence of these "armed insurrectionists") for many years now?
  - readitalready 7mo ago
    >I don't think I have the skillset and personality that would me allow to rise to the top of the hierarchy in a brutal totalitarian regime built on religious fanaticism. This is about whether you would shut down the internet or not, not whether you would rise to the top of the hierarchy on a brutal totalitarian regime built on religious fanaticism... like Israel. You know, a country with strict limits on media, including shutting down media outlets it deems critical of the state. Yes, you would shut down the internet in a war. Yes, specifically you. Just like how you would just down media companies and plane flights in wartime, since you, yes you specifically, do not believe in Democracy. >Oh so the Iranian regime was not murdering its own peacefully protesting citizens (regardless of the existence of these "armed insurrectionists") for many years now? So then for how many years do you think Mossad armed the insurrectionists that you are trying to call "peaceful protesters"?
    - pqtyw 7mo ago
      > brutal totalitarian regime "Brutal apartheid state"? Well perhaps... certainly not a totalitarian regime, though. > many years do you think Mossad armed the insurrectionists Sadly and unfortunately either not long enough and/or didn't provide them with enough weapons. But yeah I agree with your sentiment that Mossad should have done a much better job if they were serious about overthrowing the regime. Also, please go back to reddit.
      - readitalready 7mo ago
        Great. Glad you agree that it was Mossad that was responsible for all the civilian deaths during the violent Iranian insurrection, and not the Iranian government. I think we can all agree that the Iranian government are the good guys and the Israeli regime are the bad guys. That's not in dispute. What IS in dispute is how we work together on removing the Israeli government. I think we should support the Iranian government, since they are already well on their in the process of removing the Israeli regime from power and replacing them with the good Hamas government.
        pqtyw 7mo ago
        Shouldn't you stop using the internet with solidarity with the Iranian people. Or just in case Mossad doesn't radicalize you?
lostlogin 7mo ago
You’ve taken the quote out of context. It’s a comparison with Israel rather than a stand alone statement. I’m not sure I agree with it - I completely trust Israel, but only so far as that it’ll do what suits it. Human rights, and everyone else be dammed.
- pqtyw 7mo ago
  > It’s a comparison with Israel rather than a stand alone statement Yes, I understood that and still it makes no sense to me, I mean extremely untrustworthy and very untrustworthy seems about the same since you can't trust anything either source says. Israel at least have a free(ish) media and is less likely to hang someone leaking information from a construction crane.
  - lostlogin 7mo ago
    Completely agree. Related: special laws to allow execution of Palestinians being debated now. https://www.aa.com.tr/en/middle-east/israeli-law-to-execute-palestinian-prisoners-reflects-far-right-dominance-israeli-daily/3888538 https://www.aa.com.tr/en/middle-east/israeli-law-to-execute-...
    - pqtyw 6mo ago
      And then you have illegal Israeli settlers who behave like terrorist extremist facing zero consequences.

by pqtyw 7mo ago

readitalready 7mo ago

You'd ban the internet too if you had a foreign military using it to communicate with armed insurrectionists. Yes, specifically you. YOU would do that too. War changes rules of a country.

pqtyw 7mo ago
I don't think I have the skillset and personality that would me allow to rise to the top of the hierarchy in a brutal totalitarian regime built on religious fanaticism. So no I would not do that. > armed insurrectionists Unfortunately not even remotely armed enough to make a difference... > War changes rules of a country. Oh so the Iranian regime was not murdering its own peacefully protesting citizens (regardless of the existence of these "armed insurrectionists") for many years now?
- readitalready 7mo ago
  >I don't think I have the skillset and personality that would me allow to rise to the top of the hierarchy in a brutal totalitarian regime built on religious fanaticism. This is about whether you would shut down the internet or not, not whether you would rise to the top of the hierarchy on a brutal totalitarian regime built on religious fanaticism... like Israel. You know, a country with strict limits on media, including shutting down media outlets it deems critical of the state. Yes, you would shut down the internet in a war. Yes, specifically you. Just like how you would just down media companies and plane flights in wartime, since you, yes you specifically, do not believe in Democracy. >Oh so the Iranian regime was not murdering its own peacefully protesting citizens (regardless of the existence of these "armed insurrectionists") for many years now? So then for how many years do you think Mossad armed the insurrectionists that you are trying to call "peaceful protesters"?
  - pqtyw 7mo ago
    > brutal totalitarian regime "Brutal apartheid state"? Well perhaps... certainly not a totalitarian regime, though. > many years do you think Mossad armed the insurrectionists Sadly and unfortunately either not long enough and/or didn't provide them with enough weapons. But yeah I agree with your sentiment that Mossad should have done a much better job if they were serious about overthrowing the regime. Also, please go back to reddit.
    - readitalready 7mo ago
      Great. Glad you agree that it was Mossad that was responsible for all the civilian deaths during the violent Iranian insurrection, and not the Iranian government. I think we can all agree that the Iranian government are the good guys and the Israeli regime are the bad guys. That's not in dispute. What IS in dispute is how we work together on removing the Israeli government. I think we should support the Iranian government, since they are already well on their in the process of removing the Israeli regime from power and replacing them with the good Hamas government.
      - pqtyw 7mo ago
        Shouldn't you stop using the internet with solidarity with the Iranian people. Or just in case Mossad doesn't radicalize you?

lostlogin 7mo ago

You’ve taken the quote out of context. It’s a comparison with Israel rather than a stand alone statement. I’m not sure I agree with it - I completely trust Israel, but only so far as that it’ll do what suits it. Human rights, and everyone else be dammed.

pqtyw 7mo ago
> It’s a comparison with Israel rather than a stand alone statement Yes, I understood that and still it makes no sense to me, I mean extremely untrustworthy and very untrustworthy seems about the same since you can't trust anything either source says. Israel at least have a free(ish) media and is less likely to hang someone leaking information from a construction crane.
- lostlogin 7mo ago
  Completely agree. Related: special laws to allow execution of Palestinians being debated now. https://www.aa.com.tr/en/middle-east/israeli-law-to-execute-palestinian-prisoners-reflects-far-right-dominance-israeli-daily/3888538 https://www.aa.com.tr/en/middle-east/israeli-law-to-execute-...
  - pqtyw 6mo ago
    And then you have illegal Israeli settlers who behave like terrorist extremist facing zero consequences.