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Funnily enough I saw this post as I was placing my HN account on hiatus, because I'm tired pretending that the quality of discourse is on par with what I've bee
by Thanemate 7mo ago
Funnily enough I saw this post as I was placing my HN account on hiatus, because I'm tired pretending that the quality of discourse is on par with what I've been used to read and participate in.
We're obviously in an era where "good enough" is taken so far that, what used to be the middle of the fictional line is not the middle point anymore but a new extreme. You're either someone who cares for the output or someone who cares how readable and easy to extend the code is.
I can only assume this is done on hopeful purpose, with the hope that the LLM's will "only keep improving linearly" to the point where readability and extendability is not my problem by it's "tomorrow's LLM" problem.
- inanutshellus 7mo agoOk but if you're a person that likes HN discourse but thinks "eternal september" has happened ... what's your plan? You'll still come here, read the comments, see something engaging and want to reply and... feel sad because shakes fist at [datacenter] clouds it's all just bots talking to each other anyway. Seems lame. Keep talking anyway.
- 7777332215 7mo agoI thought the same as the person you replied to. For me, the solution is to stop coming here as often and instead read traditional literature. Soon to remove my access entirely to this website.
- latexr 7mo agoYou’re making a lot of assumptions. They could just stop visiting HN. They don’t even need a “plan” or an alternative, they can just stop.
- inanutshellus 6mo agoWell. My assumptions are based on the that the alternative would never matter. He'd simply stop existing (in HN-space), and that's an overtly less-fun universe to live in. We certainly do suddenly live in "interesting times".
- moron4hire 7mo agoThere is a lot more "yngmi" and "have fun being poor"-style attitude around here regarding LLM boosterism.
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- trollbridge 7mo agoThat attitude is particularly galling. Along with the "lock in now or become part of the permanent underclass".
- ryandrake 7mo agoThe thing I can't stand is the absolute certainty of the boosters. It's almost religious. AI is the future. AI will do this. AI will cause that. It is inevitable. Everything is obviously changing. They leave no room left for debate. No openness to pushback. And no evidence or proof. It just is because it is, and if you don't believe it, you're simply wrong. We saw the same sort of attitudes with blockchain and NFTs.
- fragmede 6mo agoWhat would you take as evidence?
- eudamoniac 6mo agoAny quality, useful (commercial) piece of software made with only AI code would suffice. Any successful AI-written indie game. Any successful AI-written library.
- ryandrake 6mo agoThe proof should be in the pudding. Claude Code has been out for a year, and the boosters are saying they are orders of magnitude more productive, so we should have seen some kind of successful output within an order of magnitude of the time it would have taken to develop using traditional, non-LLM tools. Where is the agent-coded Photoshop clone eating Adobe's lunch? Where is the agent-coded Quicken clone which puts the original out of business? Where is the agent-coded hit video game? All we are seeing so far are "Show HN" level projects. The only thing LLMs seem to be speeding up is people's mouths.
- tempodox 6mo ago> You're either someone who cares for the output or someone who cares how readable and easy to extend the code is. Which of course is a lie propagated by those who want to cast the disbelievers as mentally defective. Why the hell would you care how readable and easy to extend the code is if you weren’t interested in the result?