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Anyone lacking effective nuclear response can be steamrolled by those who do with total impunity. Ukraine begs to differ.

polski-g 7mo ago
The US has allegedly said they will retaliate with nuclear strikes on Russia if Russia uses nuclear strikes on Ukraine.
- dlisboa 7mo ago
  That'll never happen.
- squidbeak 7mo ago
  Barring an attack on the US itself, the US under the current regime will never attack Russia. Whatever the kompromat happens to be, the President is completely bound by it.
  - landl0rd 7mo ago
    The "kompromat" is the world's largest nuclear arsenal, some five thousand and change warheads, along with a delivery system that includes an HGV MIRV payload that can deliver a multi-megaton warhead at ~mach 20-something.
    - CamperBob2 7mo ago
      As if all their rusty crap still works. Their video recordings of Trump doing God-only-knows-what, on the other hand, appear to be working great. Ditto, the unreleased files hacked from the Republican National Committee's email server in 2016.
      - ceejayoz 7mo ago
        > As if all their rusty crap still works. It doesn't all have to work. Like a beheaded snake, you can still get bit.
- vharuck 7mo ago
  Honestly, I thought part of MAD was how, once a nuclear missile was launched, it would be better for other nuclear states to decimate the country of origin than to wait and figure out where it would hit.
  - ceejayoz 7mo ago
    Subs make that more difficult.
- matheusmoreira 7mo ago
  Doubt.
- wiseowise 7mo ago
  Why would Russia use nukes on Ukraine? It will make it even worse pariah than NK.
  - zbentley 7mo ago
    > pariah Which recent foreign policy actions by Russia indicate that they care overmuch about soft power, or consider its loss to be a significant risk?
mycall 7mo ago
Ukraine is different and did the reverse, giving up their nukes. They said it was too expensive to keep them, which is only partially true. Ukraine could have deconstructed them and created new Permissive Action Links (PALs) in Dnipro although this process would have taken years and carried a high risk of accidental detonation or radioactive mishaps during the reengineering phase.
- wiseowise 7mo ago
  And there’s also a small detail of Russia threatening invasion if Ukraine tried to decode those.
  - cineticdaffodil 7mo ago
    Well they always do, so threats by the bad boys are just noise

polski-g 7mo ago

The US has allegedly said they will retaliate with nuclear strikes on Russia if Russia uses nuclear strikes on Ukraine.

dlisboa 7mo ago
That'll never happen.
squidbeak 7mo ago
Barring an attack on the US itself, the US under the current regime will never attack Russia. Whatever the kompromat happens to be, the President is completely bound by it.
- landl0rd 7mo ago
  The "kompromat" is the world's largest nuclear arsenal, some five thousand and change warheads, along with a delivery system that includes an HGV MIRV payload that can deliver a multi-megaton warhead at ~mach 20-something.
  - CamperBob2 7mo ago
    As if all their rusty crap still works. Their video recordings of Trump doing God-only-knows-what, on the other hand, appear to be working great. Ditto, the unreleased files hacked from the Republican National Committee's email server in 2016.
    - ceejayoz 7mo ago
      > As if all their rusty crap still works. It doesn't all have to work. Like a beheaded snake, you can still get bit.
vharuck 7mo ago
Honestly, I thought part of MAD was how, once a nuclear missile was launched, it would be better for other nuclear states to decimate the country of origin than to wait and figure out where it would hit.
- ceejayoz 7mo ago
  Subs make that more difficult.
matheusmoreira 7mo ago
Doubt.
wiseowise 7mo ago
Why would Russia use nukes on Ukraine? It will make it even worse pariah than NK.
- zbentley 7mo ago
  > pariah Which recent foreign policy actions by Russia indicate that they care overmuch about soft power, or consider its loss to be a significant risk?

mycall 7mo ago

Ukraine is different and did the reverse, giving up their nukes. They said it was too expensive to keep them, which is only partially true. Ukraine could have deconstructed them and created new Permissive Action Links (PALs) in Dnipro although this process would have taken years and carried a high risk of accidental detonation or radioactive mishaps during the reengineering phase.

wiseowise 7mo ago
And there’s also a small detail of Russia threatening invasion if Ukraine tried to decode those.
- cineticdaffodil 7mo ago
  Well they always do, so threats by the bad boys are just noise