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Are you not aware of a million of dedicated competitive services for each of this to jump to "self-hosting" as the only alternative? > All my emails, all my do

by eviks 7mo ago

Are you not aware of a million of dedicated competitive services for each of this to jump to "self-hosting" as the only alternative? > All my emails, all my documents saved in Google Drive.

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simonw 7mo ago
How many of those competitive services would also lock the account if something like this happened?
- ryandrake 7mo ago
  Yes, these stories should scare you off of cloud services in general, not one particular vendor. The root problem is that you're storing valuable information on "someone else's computer." And that someone can decide to stop serving you for any or no reason at all, and you are without recourse. This should be totally unacceptable, but somehow the world has normalized it. Don't keep anything in a cloud service that you couldn't live with losing, unless you keep a local backup. Including and especially your identity (E-mail) which unlocks all your accounts.
  - eviks 7mo ago
    No, the root problem is you put all the eggs in one basket ignoring the folk wisdom that predates anything digital > Don't keep anything in a cloud service that you couldn't live with losing, unless you keep a local backup. Translated: so do keep everything in a cloud service, just backup it at a fraction of the effort with / insecurity / unreliability / unavailability of your own computer
    - ryandrake 7mo ago
      Yes, and, importantly, have a plan to be able to log in to and reset your passwords through e-mail, on all your other services, if you suddenly lose you@yourcloudemail.com I consider “cloud” to be a single (unreliable) basket. If you have your online stuff spread across 5 cloud providers, than any of them locking you out will disrupt you in some way.
      - eviks 7mo ago
        This broad reclassification makes no sense. If you put literal eggs in 5 baskets, then any of them falling down will disrupt your eggs in some way. You're missing the whole point of the principle, which is that it will not disrupt you in the same big way of blocking all your digital life like in the example from the post!
- eviks 7mo ago
  None: your me@NonSelf-HostedMail.com simply wouldn't know about your account at AI.com, so you'd only have your AI account banned

by eviks 7mo ago

Are you not aware of a million of dedicated competitive services for each of this to jump to "self-hosting" as the only alternative? > All my emails, all my documents saved in Google Drive.

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simonw 7mo ago

How many of those competitive services would also lock the account if something like this happened?

ryandrake 7mo ago
Yes, these stories should scare you off of cloud services in general, not one particular vendor. The root problem is that you're storing valuable information on "someone else's computer." And that someone can decide to stop serving you for any or no reason at all, and you are without recourse. This should be totally unacceptable, but somehow the world has normalized it. Don't keep anything in a cloud service that you couldn't live with losing, unless you keep a local backup. Including and especially your identity (E-mail) which unlocks all your accounts.
- eviks 7mo ago
  No, the root problem is you put all the eggs in one basket ignoring the folk wisdom that predates anything digital > Don't keep anything in a cloud service that you couldn't live with losing, unless you keep a local backup. Translated: so do keep everything in a cloud service, just backup it at a fraction of the effort with / insecurity / unreliability / unavailability of your own computer
  - ryandrake 7mo ago
    Yes, and, importantly, have a plan to be able to log in to and reset your passwords through e-mail, on all your other services, if you suddenly lose you@yourcloudemail.com I consider “cloud” to be a single (unreliable) basket. If you have your online stuff spread across 5 cloud providers, than any of them locking you out will disrupt you in some way.
    - eviks 7mo ago
      This broad reclassification makes no sense. If you put literal eggs in 5 baskets, then any of them falling down will disrupt your eggs in some way. You're missing the whole point of the principle, which is that it will not disrupt you in the same big way of blocking all your digital life like in the example from the post!
eviks 7mo ago
None: your me@NonSelf-HostedMail.com simply wouldn't know about your account at AI.com, so you'd only have your AI account banned