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>This is not a scalar, it is a multi-dimensional array with tons of values that all individually can be ranked. One some of these the USA is better than China o

by pedroma 6mo ago

>This is not a scalar, it is a multi-dimensional array with tons of values that all individually can be ranked. One some of these the USA is better than China on others it is definitely not. You may want to collapse that all to a single 'but we're better' picture but that is just not how the world works. This is correct... and like I said the common European sentiment. I think we've exhausted this dialogue. We're restating the same things in more words. >And that's not true either because you clearly checked my account upthread to link it to Europe. Your post I originally responded to says "Should have worn a suit." and also mentions Europe and Ukraine. That's basically the entire context of our back and forth. If you have many other posts about the US and Europe's relationship... well I have no knowledge of those posts.

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ImPostingOnHN 6mo ago
> This is correct... and like I said the common European sentiment It's actually the common *global* "sentiment", in that it is the natural conclusion of any rational actor regardless of location, and also in that most of the world feels this way. Europe has nothing to do with it – all the countries being slighted by the USA, including non-European ones, are coming to grips with the same conclusion: the USA can no longer be relied upon*. * – except when israel asks
- pedroma 6mo ago
  Let's not extend this beyond the European opinion, especially since it's obvious that East Asia does not share the same point of view. East Asia and Europe have very different threats that shape their opinion of the US fundamentally. Europe does not have China breathing down their neck, and with Russia bogged down they have even less to worry about. Europe can freely reject the US, which is what this chain of comments is about, the popular European sentiment. In contrast, if there's anti-US sentiment in Taiwan, it would be in a minority and publicly disagreed with as their nation's existence hinges on positive US sentiment. To a lesser degree, the same thing in other East Asian countries.
  - ImPostingOnHN 6mo ago
    > Let's not extend this beyond the European opinion Too late! You already did! > it's obvious that East Asia does not share the same point of view It's quite obvious that East Asia, and any other regions containing a country being slighted by the US, does share that point of view: that the US can no longer be relied upon. Countries around the world are diversifying their investments of time, effort, and favor, away from the USA. This clearly surprises you. It is indeed shocking: that's how far the USA has fallen, *globally*, in only a year or so. > In contrast, if there's anti-US sentiment in Taiwan Nobody said anything about "anti-US". We're simply talking about trusting that a country can be relied upon [0]. After seeing USA's behavior over the last year, Taiwan is understandably increasingly concerned that the US cannot be relied upon to defend against a Chinese invasion. And they're right! Based on the track record of the USA's ruler, they can expect: 1. To be coerced into falsifying information to help the ruler's political campaign, and/or 2. To be told to pay for the help (possibly by allowing the USA to annex some territory), making it not help, but a basic transaction, and/or 3. To be told they would be helped, but then left high and dry when the time comes to help, and/or 4. For the USA to themselves start a war between China and Taiwan, to distract from media coverage of said ruler's involvement with a human-trafficking/child-sex ring. All of these things have already been done by the ruler. We can reasonably expect him to do them again. > which is what this chain of comments is about, the popular European sentiment Again, it's the common *global* sentiment. You are the only one seeming to claim it is limited to Europeans, which is an incorrect claim. Beyond that, are you simply observing that the common European sentiment over the last year (negative) reflects the common global sentiment over the last year (negative), or was there a deeper point? 0 –https://www.gmfus.org/news/taiwans-growing-distrust-united-states https://www.gmfus.org/news/taiwans-growing-distrust-united-s...
    - pedroma 6mo ago
      >This clearly surprises you. It is indeed shocking: that's how far the USA has fallen, globally, in only a year or so. No, I'm the one who brought up this topic of how Europeans have an increasing unpopular opinion about the US. How is this surprising to me? I literally brought it up. The reason I don't consider East Asia relevant, is because East Asia and Europe do not have the same existential issues. East Asia's dependency on the US is far greater than Europe, and from East Asia's political point of view, Europe may as well not exist at all. Its primary political relations are with the US, SEA, and China. European sentiment about the US holds no relevance there, as it is not Europe, and they are not Europeans. This may surprise you, but the world does not revolve around European sentiment.

by pedroma 6mo ago

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ImPostingOnHN 6mo ago

> This is correct... and like I said the common European sentiment It's actually the common *global* "sentiment", in that it is the natural conclusion of any rational actor regardless of location, and also in that most of the world feels this way. Europe has nothing to do with it – all the countries being slighted by the USA, including non-European ones, are coming to grips with the same conclusion: the USA can no longer be relied upon*. * – except when israel asks

pedroma 6mo ago
Let's not extend this beyond the European opinion, especially since it's obvious that East Asia does not share the same point of view. East Asia and Europe have very different threats that shape their opinion of the US fundamentally. Europe does not have China breathing down their neck, and with Russia bogged down they have even less to worry about. Europe can freely reject the US, which is what this chain of comments is about, the popular European sentiment. In contrast, if there's anti-US sentiment in Taiwan, it would be in a minority and publicly disagreed with as their nation's existence hinges on positive US sentiment. To a lesser degree, the same thing in other East Asian countries.
- ImPostingOnHN 6mo ago
  > Let's not extend this beyond the European opinion Too late! You already did! > it's obvious that East Asia does not share the same point of view It's quite obvious that East Asia, and any other regions containing a country being slighted by the US, does share that point of view: that the US can no longer be relied upon. Countries around the world are diversifying their investments of time, effort, and favor, away from the USA. This clearly surprises you. It is indeed shocking: that's how far the USA has fallen, *globally*, in only a year or so. > In contrast, if there's anti-US sentiment in Taiwan Nobody said anything about "anti-US". We're simply talking about trusting that a country can be relied upon [0]. After seeing USA's behavior over the last year, Taiwan is understandably increasingly concerned that the US cannot be relied upon to defend against a Chinese invasion. And they're right! Based on the track record of the USA's ruler, they can expect: 1. To be coerced into falsifying information to help the ruler's political campaign, and/or 2. To be told to pay for the help (possibly by allowing the USA to annex some territory), making it not help, but a basic transaction, and/or 3. To be told they would be helped, but then left high and dry when the time comes to help, and/or 4. For the USA to themselves start a war between China and Taiwan, to distract from media coverage of said ruler's involvement with a human-trafficking/child-sex ring. All of these things have already been done by the ruler. We can reasonably expect him to do them again. > which is what this chain of comments is about, the popular European sentiment Again, it's the common *global* sentiment. You are the only one seeming to claim it is limited to Europeans, which is an incorrect claim. Beyond that, are you simply observing that the common European sentiment over the last year (negative) reflects the common global sentiment over the last year (negative), or was there a deeper point? 0 –https://www.gmfus.org/news/taiwans-growing-distrust-united-states https://www.gmfus.org/news/taiwans-growing-distrust-united-s...
  - pedroma 6mo ago
    >This clearly surprises you. It is indeed shocking: that's how far the USA has fallen, globally, in only a year or so. No, I'm the one who brought up this topic of how Europeans have an increasing unpopular opinion about the US. How is this surprising to me? I literally brought it up. The reason I don't consider East Asia relevant, is because East Asia and Europe do not have the same existential issues. East Asia's dependency on the US is far greater than Europe, and from East Asia's political point of view, Europe may as well not exist at all. Its primary political relations are with the US, SEA, and China. European sentiment about the US holds no relevance there, as it is not Europe, and they are not Europeans. This may surprise you, but the world does not revolve around European sentiment.