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I cannot bring myself to care about distillation, when these companies have built their empires on top of everyone else's stolen data, while at the same time te
by girvo 7mo ago
I cannot bring myself to care about distillation, when these companies have built their empires on top of everyone else's stolen data, while at the same time telling the world they're out to replace us all.
- xvector 7mo agoSure, AI progress comes to a halt then as everyone switches to the copycats that can't innovate, and the frontier companies are bled dry.
- girvo 7mo agoPoor babies. Again, I don’t care about them.
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- xvector 7mo agoit's not about the companies, what a myopic viewpoint every delay to AGI results in deaths that AGI could have prevented. we are talking millions of deaths for, say, just a year's delay.
- girvo 7mo agoWhat a ridiculous, reductive and dangerously accelerationist viewpoint.
- xvector 7mo agoIt's not accelerationist, it's just fact. Not saying we shouldn't be careful with AGI. But the glib tone of "who cares if these companies die?" is where one needs to consider the consequences of AGI not happening or being delayed.
- Ntrails 7mo agoI struggle with the idea that AGI (which I don't think is coming via LLMs, but sidebar) will improve the outcomes of lives and not end up as a tool of privilege and control. Pitch me on this utopian outlook, because nothing about any of the Frontier companies points away from dystopia to me
- JDups 7mo agoYou can't call hypotheticals about AGI facts.
- girvo 7mo agoIt’s not a fact in the slightest.
- catlifeonmars 7mo ago- you are assuming that an AGI will prevent more deaths than it would cause - you are assuming that AGI is just around the corner and that scaling up language models is the path to get there - you can make this argument about basically anything (nuclear power, tuberculosis medication, free healthcare). I’d say the burden of proof is on you to back up your extraordinary claim with extraordinary evidence.
- otabdeveloper4 7mo ago> every delay to AGI results in deaths that AGI could have prevented Uhm, that's not what Hollywood told me. I trust the screenwriters of "Terminator" more than I trust your anonymous forum comment.
- neya 7mo ago> every delay to AGI results in deaths that AGI could have prevented Sure, that's what AGI would be used for /s In other news, we are not even close to AGI and even with the current experimental technology, frontier AI model companies are already fighting to help departments of war, which actually results in the most deaths. What makes you think AGI would be used for not leading to the same millions of deaths?
- kotaKat 7mo agoI thought we gave up on AGI and turned into making sex chatbots and simulated porn instead. Wasn't that what Sam was pushing for all along when he went all in on Sora and the erotic modes?
- AmbroseBierce 7mo ago"frontier" as in the frontier of using everybody else's code, books, art of everyone else for a specific purpose that was never intended to, as in, not even open source projects ever imagined LLMs becoming a thing and their licenses reflected as much.
- xvector 7mo agoYou have a very poor understanding of LLMs if you think that is the frontier today. Maybe in 2024 it was.
- simonklitj 7mo agoPlease educate us then.
- potsandpans 7mo agoThese companies don't get the chance to raise a trillion dollars, and you're laughing???
- otabdeveloper4 7mo agoQwen are the only guys doing real innovation. (LLM architectures and such.) Everyone else is just gaming engagement metrics and benchmarks.
- thesmtsolver2 7mo agoAmazing that people on HN can't distinguish between training a model on open source data vs distilling a model's outputs.
- nananana9 7mo agoYou must have some absolutely unhinged ideas about what "open source" means.