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Not the same. The more effort you put into CGI the more invisible it becomes. But you can’t prompt your way out of hallucinations and other AI artifacts. AI is

Not the same. The more effort you put into CGI the more invisible it becomes. But you can’t prompt your way out of hallucinations and other AI artifacts. AI is a completely different technology from CGI. There is no equivalence between them.

CamperBob2 7mo ago
But you can’t prompt your way out of hallucinations and other AI artifacts That's not the case, and hasn't been for some time, but it sounds like your mind's made up.
- jamiek88 7mo ago
  Hallucinations have been solved?! That’s great news! Must have missed that.
  - CamperBob2 7mo ago
    Hallucinations have been solved?! Apparently not, because no one but you implied that they had been. There are prompting strategies that improve the odds greatly, but like the GGP, you've made up your mind, so it's a waste of time to argue otherwise.
    - andrekandre 7mo ago
      i think they are referring to statements that they have "solved" hallucinations and it wont be a problem anymore (which it obviously isn't yet anyways) [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44779198 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44779198
      - runarberg 7mo ago
        My guess is that post-training has gotten a lot better in the last couple of years and what people are attributing to better models are actually just traditional (non-LLM) models they place on top of the LLM which makes it appears that the model has increased in quality (including by seemingly fewer hallucination). If this is the case it would be observed with different prompting strategies, when you find a prompt which puts more weight on the post-training models.
Ferret7446 7mo ago
I guarantee you have encountered AI content and not realized it was AI. I assume you've heard of the survivorship bias?
- runarberg 7mo ago
  I have and I hated it. The story is that I was getting into a new genre of music, namely Japanese City pop from the 1980s. I was totally unfamiliar with the genre and started listening to it on YouTube. I found one playlist, which I listened to a lot, thinking: “wow, this is very formulaic, and the lyrics are very generic” but I kind of thought that was just how the genre went. Finally had planned to use it for during a small local event, but when I went to find out who the artists were I embarrassingly found out it was all AI generated. Thing is, in this instance I knew nothing of the source material, when I went to get actual songs, written by actual people, the difference was start. I would be able to recognize AI generated City pop in an instant now 8 months later. This experience kind of felt like I had been scammed. That my ignorance of the genre had been taken advantage of. It was not pleasant.
  - moron4hire 7mo ago
    I had a very similar experience, looking for music to play during D&D sessions. Not paying close attention to the music, it seemed like it fit the bill. Once I started listening more closely, there were lots of issues that became readily apparent. My dad has also started sharing with me links on Facebook to pop songs that have been re-arranged in different genres. This was a big area of fun for a number of folks in my family several years ago as we discovered YouTube artists like Chase Holfelder who put significant effort into making very high quality rearrangements. But I kept noticing these weird issues in the new songs. I've gotten to where I can identify an AI generated song almost immediately: there's a weird, high frequency hiss in the mix that sounds like heavy noise getting to overcome compression artifacts but the source from which it's coming should be clean. There's a general lack of enthusiasm to the lyrics and a boring, nonsensical progression to the lyrics on original arrangements. Sometimes, the person generating the song tries to hide that last issue by generating instrumentals only or they use one of those try-to-hard-to-sound-badass Country Rock genres that are popular on Tik Tok to stick on top of clips from the TV show Yellowstone (WTF is with that?!), but then when I check the details, there's an obviously AI cover art for artists I've never heard of. The accounts will be anthologies full of these artists that have never existed. So, I know people keep parroting "a good artist can use any tool". But I've yet to see it. All this "democratizing art" (didn't know anyone was gate keeping it to begin with, certainly have not seen any lack of talent online in several years) doesn't seem to be producing results. It becomes pretty obvious very quickly it's all just a pump and dump scheme to Get Them Clicks.

CamperBob2 7mo ago

But you can’t prompt your way out of hallucinations and other AI artifacts That's not the case, and hasn't been for some time, but it sounds like your mind's made up.

jamiek88 7mo ago
Hallucinations have been solved?! That’s great news! Must have missed that.
- CamperBob2 7mo ago
  Hallucinations have been solved?! Apparently not, because no one but you implied that they had been. There are prompting strategies that improve the odds greatly, but like the GGP, you've made up your mind, so it's a waste of time to argue otherwise.
  - andrekandre 7mo ago
    i think they are referring to statements that they have "solved" hallucinations and it wont be a problem anymore (which it obviously isn't yet anyways) [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44779198 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44779198
    - runarberg 7mo ago
      My guess is that post-training has gotten a lot better in the last couple of years and what people are attributing to better models are actually just traditional (non-LLM) models they place on top of the LLM which makes it appears that the model has increased in quality (including by seemingly fewer hallucination). If this is the case it would be observed with different prompting strategies, when you find a prompt which puts more weight on the post-training models.

Ferret7446 7mo ago

I guarantee you have encountered AI content and not realized it was AI. I assume you've heard of the survivorship bias?

runarberg 7mo ago
I have and I hated it. The story is that I was getting into a new genre of music, namely Japanese City pop from the 1980s. I was totally unfamiliar with the genre and started listening to it on YouTube. I found one playlist, which I listened to a lot, thinking: “wow, this is very formulaic, and the lyrics are very generic” but I kind of thought that was just how the genre went. Finally had planned to use it for during a small local event, but when I went to find out who the artists were I embarrassingly found out it was all AI generated. Thing is, in this instance I knew nothing of the source material, when I went to get actual songs, written by actual people, the difference was start. I would be able to recognize AI generated City pop in an instant now 8 months later. This experience kind of felt like I had been scammed. That my ignorance of the genre had been taken advantage of. It was not pleasant.
- moron4hire 7mo ago
  I had a very similar experience, looking for music to play during D&D sessions. Not paying close attention to the music, it seemed like it fit the bill. Once I started listening more closely, there were lots of issues that became readily apparent. My dad has also started sharing with me links on Facebook to pop songs that have been re-arranged in different genres. This was a big area of fun for a number of folks in my family several years ago as we discovered YouTube artists like Chase Holfelder who put significant effort into making very high quality rearrangements. But I kept noticing these weird issues in the new songs. I've gotten to where I can identify an AI generated song almost immediately: there's a weird, high frequency hiss in the mix that sounds like heavy noise getting to overcome compression artifacts but the source from which it's coming should be clean. There's a general lack of enthusiasm to the lyrics and a boring, nonsensical progression to the lyrics on original arrangements. Sometimes, the person generating the song tries to hide that last issue by generating instrumentals only or they use one of those try-to-hard-to-sound-badass Country Rock genres that are popular on Tik Tok to stick on top of clips from the TV show Yellowstone (WTF is with that?!), but then when I check the details, there's an obviously AI cover art for artists I've never heard of. The accounts will be anthologies full of these artists that have never existed. So, I know people keep parroting "a good artist can use any tool". But I've yet to see it. All this "democratizing art" (didn't know anyone was gate keeping it to begin with, certainly have not seen any lack of talent online in several years) doesn't seem to be producing results. It becomes pretty obvious very quickly it's all just a pump and dump scheme to Get Them Clicks.