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> "Anti-distillation: injecting fake tools to poison copycats" Plot twist: Chinese competitors end up developing real, useful versions of Claude's fake tools.

WorldPeas 6mo ago
more likely, they would parse them out using simple regex, the whole point is they're there but not used. Distillation is becoming less common now however
3abiton 6mo ago
Tbh, I think distillation is happening both ways. And at this stage, "quality" is stagnating, the main edge is the tooling. The harness of CC seems to be the best so far, and I wonder if this leak would equalize the usability.
scuff3d 6mo ago
This was my favorite bit, "We're going to steal countless copy righted works and completely ignore software licenc... wait, what? You aren't allowed to turn around and do it to us! Stop that right now!"
- nacozarina 6mo ago
  ‘You can’t fight in here. This is the War Room!’
girvo 6mo ago
I cannot bring myself to care about distillation, when these companies have built their empires on top of everyone else's stolen data, while at the same time telling the world they're out to replace us all.
- xvector 6mo ago
  Sure, AI progress comes to a halt then as everyone switches to the copycats that can't innovate, and the frontier companies are bled dry.
  - girvo 6mo ago
    Poor babies. Again, I don’t care about them.
    - deleted 6mo ago
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    - xvector 6mo ago
      it's not about the companies, what a myopic viewpoint every delay to AGI results in deaths that AGI could have prevented. we are talking millions of deaths for, say, just a year's delay.
      - girvo 6mo ago
        What a ridiculous, reductive and dangerously accelerationist viewpoint.
        xvector 6mo ago
        It's not accelerationist, it's just fact. Not saying we shouldn't be careful with AGI. But the glib tone of "who cares if these companies die?" is where one needs to consider the consequences of AGI not happening or being delayed.
        Ntrails 6mo ago
        I struggle with the idea that AGI (which I don't think is coming via LLMs, but sidebar) will improve the outcomes of lives and not end up as a tool of privilege and control. Pitch me on this utopian outlook, because nothing about any of the Frontier companies points away from dystopia to me
        JDups 6mo ago
        You can't call hypotheticals about AGI facts.
        girvo 6mo ago
- thesmtsolver2 6mo ago
  Amazing that people on HN can't distinguish between training a model on open source data vs distilling a model's outputs.
  - nananana9 6mo ago
    You must have some absolutely unhinged ideas about what "open source" means.
redanddead 6mo ago
Definitely. We can expect zAI, Qwen, Minimax CCs very soon
avdelazeri 6mo ago
Has Claude stopped claiming to be deepseek when prompted in Chinese yet? It wasn't long that it hit the news and blogs

WorldPeas 6mo ago

more likely, they would parse them out using simple regex, the whole point is they're there but not used. Distillation is becoming less common now however

3abiton 6mo ago

Tbh, I think distillation is happening both ways. And at this stage, "quality" is stagnating, the main edge is the tooling. The harness of CC seems to be the best so far, and I wonder if this leak would equalize the usability.

scuff3d 6mo ago

This was my favorite bit, "We're going to steal countless copy righted works and completely ignore software licenc... wait, what? You aren't allowed to turn around and do it to us! Stop that right now!"

nacozarina 6mo ago
‘You can’t fight in here. This is the War Room!’

girvo 6mo ago

I cannot bring myself to care about distillation, when these companies have built their empires on top of everyone else's stolen data, while at the same time telling the world they're out to replace us all.

xvector 6mo ago
Sure, AI progress comes to a halt then as everyone switches to the copycats that can't innovate, and the frontier companies are bled dry.
- girvo 6mo ago
  Poor babies. Again, I don’t care about them.
  - deleted 6mo ago
    [deleted]
  - xvector 6mo ago
    it's not about the companies, what a myopic viewpoint every delay to AGI results in deaths that AGI could have prevented. we are talking millions of deaths for, say, just a year's delay.
    - girvo 6mo ago
      What a ridiculous, reductive and dangerously accelerationist viewpoint.
      - xvector 6mo ago
        It's not accelerationist, it's just fact. Not saying we shouldn't be careful with AGI. But the glib tone of "who cares if these companies die?" is where one needs to consider the consequences of AGI not happening or being delayed.
        Ntrails 6mo ago
        I struggle with the idea that AGI (which I don't think is coming via LLMs, but sidebar) will improve the outcomes of lives and not end up as a tool of privilege and control. Pitch me on this utopian outlook, because nothing about any of the Frontier companies points away from dystopia to me
        JDups 6mo ago
        You can't call hypotheticals about AGI facts.
        girvo 6mo ago
thesmtsolver2 6mo ago
Amazing that people on HN can't distinguish between training a model on open source data vs distilling a model's outputs.
- nananana9 6mo ago
  You must have some absolutely unhinged ideas about what "open source" means.

redanddead 6mo ago

Definitely. We can expect zAI, Qwen, Minimax CCs very soon

avdelazeri 6mo ago

Has Claude stopped claiming to be deepseek when prompted in Chinese yet? It wasn't long that it hit the news and blogs