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> […]if the US took the time to make one. Is it normal for the Americans to behave this way or is this new procedure?

atakan_gurkan 7mo ago
I really wish that people would distinguish between "Americans" and "the US government" (and between the latter and the Trump regime) more clearly. I am Turkish and when I am associated with the behaviour of the Turkish government (which happens when I am abroad), it is very unpleasant. I lived in the States for 7 years and have many friends there. I am guessing they would similarly find this association unpleasant.
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- Waterluvian 7mo ago
  It should feel unpleasant. I don't believe Americans are a victim of an oppressive regime and I don't think they get to abdicate responsibility for their government's actions by asking the world to make that distinction. Because I certainly don't get a choice of who I trade with and who is threatening my country's existence. To put simply: the best peaceful tool I feel that I have to protect my children's future is to maximize the embarassment, shame, and personal disgust of those who the U.S Government represents. Those who have a vote and a voice in their town square. Those who can protest or strike. The goal is to make current levels of domestic inaction intolerable. I'm delighted by the No Kings turnout. That's a good start. If we get to a point where Americans by and large do not believe they have any power over their democracy, and that they're helpless victims of an oppressive government, I think my perspective would change in the same way I don't think Iranians are to be expected to deal with their government. I should be clear because this is a very pointed perspective: I don't dislike Americans. As a Canadian it's inevitable that I am close friends with countless Americans. There's a number of them in my very close family. But I believe they bear responsibility for their government because I believe the U.S. is, for now, still a democracy.
  - cmxch 7mo ago
    > the best peaceful tool I feel that I have to protect my children's future is to maximize the embarassment, shame, and personal disgust of those who the U.S Government represents. Those who have a vote and a voice in their town square. Those who can protest or strike. The goal is to make current levels of domestic inaction intolerable. I'm delighted by the No Kings turnout. That's a good start. And I’ll vote for the people that prevent and/or limit the damage you wish to cause to the current administration and its supporters. Especially if it means using privacy laws to prevent doxxing of such individuals or any adverse action against them.
    - donkeybeer 7mo ago
      Who said anything about doxxing? It's no surprise you support that administration given you make up fake threats in your head like this.
      - cindyllm 7mo ago
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      - cmxch 7mo ago
        Well, your approach requires the collection of identities associated with particular political alignment(s). And that you need both pieces linked together for it to work - where neither alignment nor identity mean anything separately. Aside from public figures, that is very much in the realm of doxxing.
        donkeybeer 7mo ago
        What exactly do you think "my approach" is btw lmfao? edit: Weren't you whining just a few days ago of bluesky being too cloistered, first I don't understand how a website that anyone is free to join with even less details than twitter is more cloistered, and more importantly why is cloistering and shielding a group from criticism suddenly good when its magas? It's pretty hilarious I have to say.
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- patrickmcnamara 7mo ago
  Americans should stop voting in governments like this then.
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  - swat535 7mo ago
    Majority of them didn't want this government, but US elections can be gamed.
    - patrickmcnamara 7mo ago
      The majority could have voted for a different government if they didn't want this one. I could understand this argument somewhere else, but the US has fair elections and voted for this twice.
      - gulfofamerica 7mo ago
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  - expedition32 7mo ago
    In fairness America doesn't work like Europe. The president can just start a war without asking for permission from the people nor parliament.
- LtWorf 7mo ago
  Apparently Usians living in sweden have been complaining that swedes assume they aren't trump supporters. edit: also it's the USA doctrine to oppress people whose government you dislike in the hope that they might rebel, so in their case it's completely fair.

I really wish that people would distinguish between "Americans" and "the US government" (and between the latter and the Trump regime) more clearly. I am Turkish and when I am associated with the behaviour of the Turkish government (which happens when I am abroad), it is very unpleasant. I lived in the States for 7 years and have many friends there. I am guessing they would similarly find this association unpleasant.

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Waterluvian 7mo ago
It should feel unpleasant. I don't believe Americans are a victim of an oppressive regime and I don't think they get to abdicate responsibility for their government's actions by asking the world to make that distinction. Because I certainly don't get a choice of who I trade with and who is threatening my country's existence. To put simply: the best peaceful tool I feel that I have to protect my children's future is to maximize the embarassment, shame, and personal disgust of those who the U.S Government represents. Those who have a vote and a voice in their town square. Those who can protest or strike. The goal is to make current levels of domestic inaction intolerable. I'm delighted by the No Kings turnout. That's a good start. If we get to a point where Americans by and large do not believe they have any power over their democracy, and that they're helpless victims of an oppressive government, I think my perspective would change in the same way I don't think Iranians are to be expected to deal with their government. I should be clear because this is a very pointed perspective: I don't dislike Americans. As a Canadian it's inevitable that I am close friends with countless Americans. There's a number of them in my very close family. But I believe they bear responsibility for their government because I believe the U.S. is, for now, still a democracy.
- cmxch 7mo ago
  > the best peaceful tool I feel that I have to protect my children's future is to maximize the embarassment, shame, and personal disgust of those who the U.S Government represents. Those who have a vote and a voice in their town square. Those who can protest or strike. The goal is to make current levels of domestic inaction intolerable. I'm delighted by the No Kings turnout. That's a good start. And I’ll vote for the people that prevent and/or limit the damage you wish to cause to the current administration and its supporters. Especially if it means using privacy laws to prevent doxxing of such individuals or any adverse action against them.
  - donkeybeer 7mo ago
    Who said anything about doxxing? It's no surprise you support that administration given you make up fake threats in your head like this.
    - cindyllm 7mo ago
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    - cmxch 7mo ago
      Well, your approach requires the collection of identities associated with particular political alignment(s). And that you need both pieces linked together for it to work - where neither alignment nor identity mean anything separately. Aside from public figures, that is very much in the realm of doxxing.
      - donkeybeer 7mo ago
        What exactly do you think "my approach" is btw lmfao? edit: Weren't you whining just a few days ago of bluesky being too cloistered, first I don't understand how a website that anyone is free to join with even less details than twitter is more cloistered, and more importantly why is cloistering and shielding a group from criticism suddenly good when its magas? It's pretty hilarious I have to say.
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patrickmcnamara 7mo ago
Americans should stop voting in governments like this then.
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- swat535 7mo ago
  Majority of them didn't want this government, but US elections can be gamed.
  - patrickmcnamara 7mo ago
    The majority could have voted for a different government if they didn't want this one. I could understand this argument somewhere else, but the US has fair elections and voted for this twice.
    - gulfofamerica 7mo ago
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- expedition32 7mo ago
  In fairness America doesn't work like Europe. The president can just start a war without asking for permission from the people nor parliament.
LtWorf 7mo ago
Apparently Usians living in sweden have been complaining that swedes assume they aren't trump supporters. edit: also it's the USA doctrine to oppress people whose government you dislike in the hope that they might rebel, so in their case it's completely fair.