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Full text of e-mail: We are sharing some difficult news regarding your position. After careful consideration of Oracle’s current business needs, we have made

Full text of e-mail: We are sharing some difficult news regarding your position. After careful consideration of Oracle’s current business needs, we have made the decision to eliminate your role as part of a broader organizational change. As a result, today is your last working day. We are grateful for your dedication, hard work, and the impact you have made during your time with us. After signing your termination paperwork, you will be eligible to receive a severance package subject to the terms and conditions of the severance plan. You will receive an email from DocuSign to your Oracle email address with details on your severance and termination date. Immediate Action Required To receive important follow-up information, including FAQs and separation documents to help you through this transition, you must provide a personal email address. Please click here to submit a personal email address immediately. If you make a submission error, please re-submit a new form. Please Note: The personal email address will only be used for correspondence regarding separation-related information and severance agreements. Access to your computer, email, voicemail, and files will be deactivated soon, and you will be unable to log into your computer. As a reminder, you are prohibited from downloading, copying or retaining (including emailing yourself) any Oracle confidential information. Thank you for your contributions to our organization. If you have additional questions, please reach out to the HR team via the Ask HR page or at (888) 404-2494. Oracle Leadership Source: https://www.reddit.com/r/employeesOfOracle/comments/1s8jadx/hlgiu_ic1_5_years_layoff/ https://www.reddit.com/r/employeesOfOracle/comments/1s8jadx/...

rossant 6mo ago
"eliminate". Right.
niek_pas 6mo ago
> As a result, today is your last working day. As a European, I never realized that this is allowed under US labor law. That is absolutely insane. EDIT: some commentors have pointed out that the workers collect severance and unemployment --- I was not aware this is law in California, and that changes matters. I would, though, still find being suddenly out of a job fairly traumatic.
- heraldgeezer 6mo ago
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- IncreasePosts 6mo ago
  Why? They get a severance which is going to be multiple months salary, as well as approximately $2000/mo unemployment from the state (assuming in California). Personally, I'd rather just get the money and not have to work, rather than be forced to come into the office knowing I was getting canned in 3 months or whatever
  - niek_pas 6mo ago
    I did not know they got severance. In any case, I'm still not sure I'd prefer that scenario --- coming into your work to suddenly find you've been terminated and subsequently sitting on your ass for a couple months while looking for another job seems pretty emotionally damaging to me, but to each their own.
    - jakeydus 6mo ago
      I got laid off at a previous job and they asked me to stay on six months to train my replacement(s) and finish my project(s). In return I'd get my normal severance and a significant bonus for staying the whole time. I did so and worked hard for the entire time. A few months later I got lunch with my former manager and they informed me they would have absolutely coasted the entire time. In hindsight, I'm not sure why I put the effort in. Live and learn, I guess.
- lotsofpulp 6mo ago
  It's insane to force businesses to take on the government's responsibilities (providing food/shelter/income/energy security). A buyer and seller should be free to start and stop buying and selling whenever they want, absent contracts stating otherwise. The government should be there to directly support all of the people, not to police and cajole businesses to support some of the people that happened to be hired by a business.
heresie-dabord 6mo ago
"After careful consideration of Oracle’s current business needs, we the Oracle Leadership have realised that we don't really know what we are doing. We never have. But we do know that someone must pay for our incompetence and lack of vision. That someone is YOU. So you are fired. Thank you for any contributions that you made that still bring us profits. Oracle Leadership"
DebtDeflation 6mo ago
This is why I've started telling younger people in the industry (I'm 52) "Don't worry about giving two weeks notice or doing knowledge transfer, it's not your problem. If you accept an offer and a better offer comes in before you start, take it and don't think twice. If the better offer comes in after you started, quit and take it, and don't think twice. If you're in the middle of a critical project at work and they're depending on you when a better offer comes in, take it and walk away." Loyalty in employment relations has been dead for a long time, since before I started working, but now it seems that even basic decorum on the part of employers is dead as well, and there's no reason to allow it to be asymmetric.

rossant 6mo ago

"eliminate". Right.

niek_pas 6mo ago

> As a result, today is your last working day. As a European, I never realized that this is allowed under US labor law. That is absolutely insane. EDIT: some commentors have pointed out that the workers collect severance and unemployment --- I was not aware this is law in California, and that changes matters. I would, though, still find being suddenly out of a job fairly traumatic.

heraldgeezer 6mo ago
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IncreasePosts 6mo ago
Why? They get a severance which is going to be multiple months salary, as well as approximately $2000/mo unemployment from the state (assuming in California). Personally, I'd rather just get the money and not have to work, rather than be forced to come into the office knowing I was getting canned in 3 months or whatever
- niek_pas 6mo ago
  I did not know they got severance. In any case, I'm still not sure I'd prefer that scenario --- coming into your work to suddenly find you've been terminated and subsequently sitting on your ass for a couple months while looking for another job seems pretty emotionally damaging to me, but to each their own.
  - jakeydus 6mo ago
    I got laid off at a previous job and they asked me to stay on six months to train my replacement(s) and finish my project(s). In return I'd get my normal severance and a significant bonus for staying the whole time. I did so and worked hard for the entire time. A few months later I got lunch with my former manager and they informed me they would have absolutely coasted the entire time. In hindsight, I'm not sure why I put the effort in. Live and learn, I guess.
lotsofpulp 6mo ago
It's insane to force businesses to take on the government's responsibilities (providing food/shelter/income/energy security). A buyer and seller should be free to start and stop buying and selling whenever they want, absent contracts stating otherwise. The government should be there to directly support all of the people, not to police and cajole businesses to support some of the people that happened to be hired by a business.

heresie-dabord 6mo ago

"After careful consideration of Oracle’s current business needs, we the Oracle Leadership have realised that we don't really know what we are doing. We never have. But we do know that someone must pay for our incompetence and lack of vision. That someone is YOU. So you are fired. Thank you for any contributions that you made that still bring us profits. Oracle Leadership"

DebtDeflation 6mo ago

This is why I've started telling younger people in the industry (I'm 52) "Don't worry about giving two weeks notice or doing knowledge transfer, it's not your problem. If you accept an offer and a better offer comes in before you start, take it and don't think twice. If the better offer comes in after you started, quit and take it, and don't think twice. If you're in the middle of a critical project at work and they're depending on you when a better offer comes in, take it and walk away." Loyalty in employment relations has been dead for a long time, since before I started working, but now it seems that even basic decorum on the part of employers is dead as well, and there's no reason to allow it to be asymmetric.