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So exactly what for profit company is on the side of the angels?

bix6 7mo ago
Many of the startups I work with. We’re helping save the oceans and land. Purpose and profit are dream scenarios for me. It’s difficult in a capitalist economy but it exists.
- raw_anon_1111 7mo ago
  Are those startups self funded or funded by VCs? If they are funded by VCs, it doesn’t matter what your company wants.
troyvit 7mo ago
Why stick with for-profit companies? But on measure I'd say System76, n8n, Nextcloud, GridX, Odoo, Tuxedo, GitLab, Uplight, Aurora Solar, Bandcamp (maybe), Bitwarden, Canonical (maybe), Scribd, Arcadia, Wikihow. Basically any time you find yourself enjoying a product you're using, see who made it and if they're hiring. Sure it's an uphill battle. This is late-stage capitalism after all and unless you're comfortable with a role that extracts from people who weren't planning in being extracted from you're not going to make a ton of money. That's what it takes to be on the side of the angels though.
- BeetleB 7mo ago
  GitLab is for profit, isn't it?
  - troyvit 7mo ago
    I tried to focus on for-profit, but I'm just saying there's nothing wrong with non-profits either. In fact I don't think I consciously mentioned a non-profit but I might have.
- raw_anon_1111 7mo ago
  Because for profits have the most employment opportunities? All of the companies named in replies to my initial comment hire a minuscule number of people.
  - troyvit 7mo ago
    If you're looking to scale, then you're looking for companies that scale, and if you're looking for companies that scale, you're not looking for angels. I used to think Cloudflare was an exception to this belief but today I'm not so sure.
    - tombert 7mo ago
      Wait what's wrong with Cloudflare?
      - troyvit 7mo ago
        https://www.theregister.com/2026/01/12/cloudflare_vs_italy/ https://www.theregister.com/2026/01/12/cloudflare_vs_italy/ Definitely my bias here so take it with a grain of salt. I still use cloudflare and I'd probably still work for them.
- tombert 7mo ago
  I'm not unemployed right now, but in the past have applied to literally every one of those companies and been declined from every one of those companies. It's hard to find jobs at companies that aren't run by monsters; even if you can identify a company that isn't terrible, there's still a relatively low likelihood of getting a job there. I'm not blaming the companies for not hiring me, I'm sure they have their reasons for their terrible decision of passing up on someone as handsome and smart as me [1], and I am certainly not entitled to a job, but when I run out of companies that seem ethical, what do you do then? It's easy to say "well start your own company!", and sure if you have the ability to do that then that's great, but I don't even really know where to begin with finding investors for stuff I'm working on, and I'm not sure that anything I'm working on would be interesting to investors anyway. [1] It's true, my mom told me!
  - troyvit 7mo ago
    Haha I built that list almost entirely from companies that rejected me so I hear you.
kstrauser 7mo ago
Sometimes the lesser evil is truly a lesser evil.

bix6 7mo ago

Many of the startups I work with. We’re helping save the oceans and land. Purpose and profit are dream scenarios for me. It’s difficult in a capitalist economy but it exists.

raw_anon_1111 7mo ago
Are those startups self funded or funded by VCs? If they are funded by VCs, it doesn’t matter what your company wants.

troyvit 7mo ago

Why stick with for-profit companies? But on measure I'd say System76, n8n, Nextcloud, GridX, Odoo, Tuxedo, GitLab, Uplight, Aurora Solar, Bandcamp (maybe), Bitwarden, Canonical (maybe), Scribd, Arcadia, Wikihow. Basically any time you find yourself enjoying a product you're using, see who made it and if they're hiring. Sure it's an uphill battle. This is late-stage capitalism after all and unless you're comfortable with a role that extracts from people who weren't planning in being extracted from you're not going to make a ton of money. That's what it takes to be on the side of the angels though.

BeetleB 7mo ago
GitLab is for profit, isn't it?
- troyvit 7mo ago
  I tried to focus on for-profit, but I'm just saying there's nothing wrong with non-profits either. In fact I don't think I consciously mentioned a non-profit but I might have.
raw_anon_1111 7mo ago
Because for profits have the most employment opportunities? All of the companies named in replies to my initial comment hire a minuscule number of people.
- troyvit 7mo ago
  If you're looking to scale, then you're looking for companies that scale, and if you're looking for companies that scale, you're not looking for angels. I used to think Cloudflare was an exception to this belief but today I'm not so sure.
  - tombert 7mo ago
    Wait what's wrong with Cloudflare?
    - troyvit 7mo ago
      https://www.theregister.com/2026/01/12/cloudflare_vs_italy/ https://www.theregister.com/2026/01/12/cloudflare_vs_italy/ Definitely my bias here so take it with a grain of salt. I still use cloudflare and I'd probably still work for them.
tombert 7mo ago
I'm not unemployed right now, but in the past have applied to literally every one of those companies and been declined from every one of those companies. It's hard to find jobs at companies that aren't run by monsters; even if you can identify a company that isn't terrible, there's still a relatively low likelihood of getting a job there. I'm not blaming the companies for not hiring me, I'm sure they have their reasons for their terrible decision of passing up on someone as handsome and smart as me [1], and I am certainly not entitled to a job, but when I run out of companies that seem ethical, what do you do then? It's easy to say "well start your own company!", and sure if you have the ability to do that then that's great, but I don't even really know where to begin with finding investors for stuff I'm working on, and I'm not sure that anything I'm working on would be interesting to investors anyway. [1] It's true, my mom told me!
- troyvit 7mo ago
  Haha I built that list almost entirely from companies that rejected me so I hear you.

kstrauser 7mo ago

Sometimes the lesser evil is truly a lesser evil.