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I gave a lot of shit about my employees the first time I was a manager. It burned me out, but it made for an amazing team.

wiseowise 6mo ago
Was it worth it?
- apple4ever 6mo ago
  I always found it was. Because I cared more what my employees thought about me than my managers. I wouldn't change that, ever.
skeeter2020 6mo ago
I'm on a break after getting run down in my last role at the EM / Director level, but I certainly gave a shit, and some of my directs (10-15%?) gave a shit that I gave a shit, and they're now better leaders. Most of this is from their hard work, but I gave them one possible template: genuinely care about your people. My hope is that what I spent of myself was more than made up with what they added. When you're a naive pessimist, leverage is the key multiplier of effective leadership. one who expects the worst, yet is continually surprised when they get it. Sometimes secretly an embarrassed optimist.
- kemiller 6mo ago
  Yeah. I think most orgs have no idea what they are missing.
raw_anon_1111 6mo ago
Did you fight for raises? If your manager told you choose 30% to cut would you have? Of course you would, your “caring” meant nothing. Your first loyalty is to the people who decide your paycheck
- bdangubic 6mo ago
  I spent my entire life making absolutely sure that the last people I am going to be loyal to is those who decide my paycheck. it is a good life…
- apple4ever 6mo ago
  Yes I fought for raises. I fought for better ratings and promotions too. If they asked me to cut I would fight to not doing that. My first loyalty is to my team, and it's been clear to me why I have not rising as high. Don't assume everyone is like the worst person in your head.
  - raw_anon_1111 6mo ago
    And as a line level manager I don’t believe you are a “bad person”. Line level managers are “powerless”. You don’t control head count, budgets, company wide decisions to reduce staff etc

wiseowise 6mo ago

Was it worth it?

apple4ever 6mo ago
I always found it was. Because I cared more what my employees thought about me than my managers. I wouldn't change that, ever.

skeeter2020 6mo ago

I'm on a break after getting run down in my last role at the EM / Director level, but I certainly gave a shit, and some of my directs (10-15%?) gave a shit that I gave a shit, and they're now better leaders. Most of this is from their hard work, but I gave them one possible template: genuinely care about your people. My hope is that what I spent of myself was more than made up with what they added. When you're a naive pessimist, leverage is the key multiplier of effective leadership. one who expects the worst, yet is continually surprised when they get it. Sometimes secretly an embarrassed optimist.

kemiller 6mo ago
Yeah. I think most orgs have no idea what they are missing.

raw_anon_1111 6mo ago

Did you fight for raises? If your manager told you choose 30% to cut would you have? Of course you would, your “caring” meant nothing. Your first loyalty is to the people who decide your paycheck

bdangubic 6mo ago
I spent my entire life making absolutely sure that the last people I am going to be loyal to is those who decide my paycheck. it is a good life…
apple4ever 6mo ago
Yes I fought for raises. I fought for better ratings and promotions too. If they asked me to cut I would fight to not doing that. My first loyalty is to my team, and it's been clear to me why I have not rising as high. Don't assume everyone is like the worst person in your head.
- raw_anon_1111 6mo ago
  And as a line level manager I don’t believe you are a “bad person”. Line level managers are “powerless”. You don’t control head count, budgets, company wide decisions to reduce staff etc