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It muddies the waters by focusing on divisive issues like immigration enforcement and de-emphasizing the war, preventing what could be a unified left-and-right
by recursivedoubts 7mo ago
It muddies the waters by focusing on divisive issues like immigration enforcement and de-emphasizing the war, preventing what could be a unified left-and-right antiwar movement.
Plain anti-war protests could draw significant support across the political spectrum, so divisive issues are inserted as wedges. Same thing that happened in the 60's, when the anti-war movement went from a coat-and-tie affair to a laurel canyon one.
- zzgo 7mo agoIf you think the No Kings movement is preventing a unified front against the war, you haven't been paying attention to the political discourse in the US since the rise of the Tea Party 15+ years ago.
- recursivedoubts 7mo agoman
- intended 7mo agoThere will be no public rapprochement between the right and the left pretty much anywhere in the world. They are fed by entirely different media machines. If you like, its a coordination problem where the various groups no longer have the commons of a shared reality to coordinate through.
- platevoltage 7mo agoIt's not just the "media machines". These two sides have completely different moral values.
- randomNumber7 7mo ago[flagged]
- williamoforange 7mo agoCaring about others and wanting a fair, even handed and democratic government is not self-righteous you muppet. All you are doing is trying to justify your shitty ideals.
- stackbutterflow 7mo agoYou'll notice it's about how it makes the poster feel. Complaints against the right are usually about their actions, the terrible consequences and how they hurt people. Complaints against the left are often how it makes the complainer feel, it's a mental struggle to not admit they like the result of right wing policies and not being able to embrace a left wing position despite knowing on some level that they should.
- logicchains 7mo ago>Caring about others and wanting a fair, even handed and democratic government is not self-righteous you muppet It's self-righteous to say they care about other people but want to help those people with other people's money, not their own. Statistically speaking leftists give far less to charity.
- platevoltage 7mo agoStatistically speaking, Right wingers have all of the money, even if they started off as liberals. This is silly Capitalist propaganda.
- randomNumber7 7mo agoYour reply proves me right.
- platevoltage 7mo agoThere is no anti-war movement on the right. The only time there is, is when a Right-winger is trying to win an election. Once said right winger inevitably starts a war, the pom poms come out.
- randomNumber7 7mo agoIf everyone just noticed that they have to vote left the world would be a paradise /S
- gzread 7mo agoYou can't vote left in the US, there are no left parties and no left politicians.
- recursivedoubts 7mo agoTucker Carlson is perhaps the most popular commentator on the right and has a significant following and he is adamantly anti-war. There is a legitimate cross-ideology opportunity here that the war party (which spans both american political parties) is desperate to keep from materializing.
- LAC-Tech 7mo agoI think you are ignorant about the nuances of the US right. It is not a monolithic block anymore than the US left is. Prominent right-wing figures who are against this war: - Tucker Carlson - Thomas Massie - Candace Owens - Marjorie Taylor Greene - Rand Paul - Steve Bannon - Nick Fuentes - Matt Gaetz Honourable mentions: - Joe Rogan (I know many people on HN would consider him right wing) - Charlie Kirk (in the months leading up to his death he said it would be a "catastrophic mistake") Trump's approval rating has dropped -16.7 points: this represents many of his core supporters bleeding away.
- DFHippie 7mo agoSo Indivisible, which planned the protest, knew the US was going to attack Iran months in advance and plotted this protest to distract from it? What strategic masterminds! What opsec! The left always seemed so fractious and disorganized, but they were just wily, biding their time. But, why? Seriously, I'm sure you're smart enough to know this is absurd. Just sit down and think about it a bit.
- testaccount28 7mo agowould you expect dr evil to give a good "mwahahaha" and a bow?
- recursivedoubts 7mo agoThe recent protest isn’t what I’m talking about
- ludicrousdispla 7mo agoFrom the Pew Research poll you linked above: > Among those who consider themselves Republicans, 79% say they approve of how Trump is handling the conflict. 71% of Republicans say the decision to use military force in Iran was correct. 88% of Democrats say the U.S. made the wrong decision to use military force in Iran.