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Author here. Would you dispute that they're much better than two years ago? I, personally, am quite impressed at how quickly they improved. It's not yet at the

by tudorhn 6mo ago

Author here. Would you dispute that they're much better than two years ago? I, personally, am quite impressed at how quickly they improved. It's not yet at the level for independent decision-making, but if the rate of improvement holds, I wouldn't be too surprised if we got there in the near future.

jqpabc123 6mo ago
Would you dispute that they're much better than two years ago? I will readily admit that the guesswork has improved. Will you admit that guesswork remains the foundation of what they do? Guesswork will always be suspect. Removing it will require a fundamental redesign and may not be achievable within the constraints of current hardware and economics. My guess is any significant breakthrough will likely involve quantum computing and renewable energy.
- tudorhn 6mo ago
  That's literally the thesis of the article. Even though guesswork remains the foundation, the improved training can help discover patterns, backtrack, etc. Basically, explore the problem space by "guessing" through it
  - jqpabc123 6mo ago
    Basically, explore the problem space by "guessing" through it This is where we disagree. "Guessing" (aka trial and error) is not a "legally" responsible way to make decisions in many cases.
    - tudorhn 6mo ago
      Right, I think I understand. You are specifically talking about independent decision-making. I have been focusing on "problem-solving". Tbh, I have no opinion on the legal framework. I'm sure most decisions will be supervised, at least for a while.
      - jqpabc123 6mo ago
        The technology is being marketed as providing "intelligence" --- not trial and error problem solving --- where "error" is a likely result. I wouldn't be surprised if the tool vendors aren't eventually forced to rename it and/or limit it's use in their terms of service due to legal liability. A good analogy is Tesla's "Full Self Driving" which was renamed to "Full Self Driving Supervised" --- an oxymoron.

by tudorhn 6mo ago

jqpabc123 6mo ago

Would you dispute that they're much better than two years ago? I will readily admit that the guesswork has improved. Will you admit that guesswork remains the foundation of what they do? Guesswork will always be suspect. Removing it will require a fundamental redesign and may not be achievable within the constraints of current hardware and economics. My guess is any significant breakthrough will likely involve quantum computing and renewable energy.

tudorhn 6mo ago
That's literally the thesis of the article. Even though guesswork remains the foundation, the improved training can help discover patterns, backtrack, etc. Basically, explore the problem space by "guessing" through it
- jqpabc123 6mo ago
  Basically, explore the problem space by "guessing" through it This is where we disagree. "Guessing" (aka trial and error) is not a "legally" responsible way to make decisions in many cases.
  - tudorhn 6mo ago
    Right, I think I understand. You are specifically talking about independent decision-making. I have been focusing on "problem-solving". Tbh, I have no opinion on the legal framework. I'm sure most decisions will be supervised, at least for a while.
    - jqpabc123 6mo ago
      The technology is being marketed as providing "intelligence" --- not trial and error problem solving --- where "error" is a likely result. I wouldn't be surprised if the tool vendors aren't eventually forced to rename it and/or limit it's use in their terms of service due to legal liability. A good analogy is Tesla's "Full Self Driving" which was renamed to "Full Self Driving Supervised" --- an oxymoron.