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a strong majority of the united states citizens are against the war, despite a full court propaganda press against the right and a no-kings distraction op again

a strong majority of the united states citizens are against the war, despite a full court propaganda press against the right and a no-kings distraction op against the left https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2026/03/25/americans-broadly-disapprove-of-u-s-military-action-in-iran/ https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2026/03/25/americans-br... don't confuse american citizens with the bought-and-paid talking & tweeting heads we are forced to live with

pjc50 7mo ago
"No Kings" isn't a distraction, it's very tangible popular opposition, and they're certainly not in favor of the war?
- recursivedoubts 7mo ago
  It muddies the waters by focusing on divisive issues like immigration enforcement and de-emphasizing the war, preventing what could be a unified left-and-right antiwar movement. Plain anti-war protests could draw significant support across the political spectrum, so divisive issues are inserted as wedges. Same thing that happened in the 60's, when the anti-war movement went from a coat-and-tie affair to a laurel canyon one.
  - zzgo 7mo ago
    If you think the No Kings movement is preventing a unified front against the war, you haven't been paying attention to the political discourse in the US since the rise of the Tea Party 15+ years ago.
    - recursivedoubts 7mo ago
      man
  - intended 7mo ago
    There will be no public rapprochement between the right and the left pretty much anywhere in the world. They are fed by entirely different media machines. If you like, its a coordination problem where the various groups no longer have the commons of a shared reality to coordinate through.
    - platevoltage 7mo ago
      It's not just the "media machines". These two sides have completely different moral values.
      - randomNumber7 7mo ago
        [flagged]
        williamoforange 7mo ago
        Caring about others and wanting a fair, even handed and democratic government is not self-righteous you muppet. All you are doing is trying to justify your shitty ideals.
        stackbutterflow 7mo ago
        You'll notice it's about how it makes the poster feel. Complaints against the right are usually about their actions, the terrible consequences and how they hurt people. Complaints against the left are often how it makes the complainer feel, it's a mental struggle to not admit they like the result of right wing policies and not being able to embrace a left wing position despite knowing on some level that they should.
        logicchains 7mo ago
        >Caring about others and wanting a fair, even handed and democratic government is not self-righteous you muppet It's self-righteous to say they care about other people but want to help those people with other people's money, not their own. Statistically speaking leftists give far less to charity.
  - platevoltage 7mo ago
    There is no anti-war movement on the right. The only time there is, is when a Right-winger is trying to win an election. Once said right winger inevitably starts a war, the pom poms come out.
    - randomNumber7 7mo ago
      If everyone just noticed that they have to vote left the world would be a paradise /S
      - gzread 7mo ago
        You can't vote left in the US, there are no left parties and no left politicians.
    - recursivedoubts 7mo ago
      Tucker Carlson is perhaps the most popular commentator on the right and has a significant following and he is adamantly anti-war. There is a legitimate cross-ideology opportunity here that the war party (which spans both american political parties) is desperate to keep from materializing.
    - LAC-Tech 7mo ago
      I think you are ignorant about the nuances of the US right. It is not a monolithic block anymore than the US left is. Prominent right-wing figures who are against this war: - Tucker Carlson - Thomas Massie - Candace Owens - Marjorie Taylor Greene - Rand Paul - Steve Bannon - Nick Fuentes - Matt Gaetz Honourable mentions: - Joe Rogan (I know many people on HN would consider him right wing) - Charlie Kirk (in the months leading up to his death he said it would be a "catastrophic mistake") Trump's approval rating has dropped -16.7 points: this represents many of his core supporters bleeding away.
  - DFHippie 7mo ago
    So Indivisible, which planned the protest, knew the US was going to attack Iran months in advance and plotted this protest to distract from it? What strategic masterminds! What opsec! The left always seemed so fractious and disorganized, but they were just wily, biding their time. But, why? Seriously, I'm sure you're smart enough to know this is absurd. Just sit down and think about it a bit.
    - testaccount28 7mo ago
      would you expect dr evil to give a good "mwahahaha" and a bow?
    - recursivedoubts 7mo ago
      The recent protest isn’t what I’m talking about
  - ludicrousdispla 7mo ago
    From the Pew Research poll you linked above: > Among those who consider themselves Republicans, 79% say they approve of how Trump is handling the conflict. 71% of Republicans say the decision to use military force in Iran was correct. 88% of Democrats say the U.S. made the wrong decision to use military force in Iran.
- colordrops 7mo ago
  They don't even mention the country Iran or the war by name, because it's a DNC op and the DNC also supports war in Iran. They don't mention Israel or Gaza, because the main organizers and funders are Zionist. They have no concrete demands. It's a distraction, a release valve, controlled opposition.
- freefrog1234aa 7mo ago
  Imagine being king of a gulf monarchy watching the "no kings" protests. Probably censored.
protocolture 7mo ago
Will the citizens of said country do anything to prevent their government from doing this? If no, then why does their disposition matter?
twodave 7mo ago
This. Much of the most prevalent messaging on both the extreme left and the extreme right tends to be from other countries posing as Americans. It’s also difficult to even form opinions lately as the amount of lying by all outlets is nearly impossible to sift through. All we really know is that right, left, black, white, gay or straight, nobody is actually on our side anymore.
culi 7mo ago
The No Kings protests I saw were full of anti-war signs. I kinda assumed the whole protest was an anti-war protest primarily so I'm surprised to hear this take
- andrewflnr 7mo ago
  It's an anti-Trump protest, so named because of how badly Trump wishes he was a king. The slogan (and organization, maybe?) dates back to at least the start of his current term.
  - culi 7mo ago
    Yes. I don't think that contradicts anything I said. It's the third major round in a series of protests and I believe this one was planned after Trump started a war against Iran. I don't think it's a stretch to say that opposition to war was a primary motivating factor for many that attended. I certainly would find that a reasonable conclusion from the signs I saw
    - andrewflnr 7mo ago
      Technically not contradictory, but it's pretty weird to call it an anti-war protest with no further qualification, when the overall emphasis, long term anyway, is clearly anti-Trump. Emphasis matters.
jeroenhd 7mo ago
Every time someone criticises the USA for its atrocities and its ridiculous foreign policies I see this argument, that supposedly most people are supposedly against whatever bad thing is happening right now. Yet, Americans elected Trump, twice even, and gave his party control over the other branches of government at the same time. We'll see at the midterms how much the American populace really disagrees with what the government is doing.
- voganmother42 7mo ago
  If there is a midterm election

pjc50 7mo ago

"No Kings" isn't a distraction, it's very tangible popular opposition, and they're certainly not in favor of the war?

recursivedoubts 7mo ago
It muddies the waters by focusing on divisive issues like immigration enforcement and de-emphasizing the war, preventing what could be a unified left-and-right antiwar movement. Plain anti-war protests could draw significant support across the political spectrum, so divisive issues are inserted as wedges. Same thing that happened in the 60's, when the anti-war movement went from a coat-and-tie affair to a laurel canyon one.
- zzgo 7mo ago
  If you think the No Kings movement is preventing a unified front against the war, you haven't been paying attention to the political discourse in the US since the rise of the Tea Party 15+ years ago.
  - recursivedoubts 7mo ago
    man
- intended 7mo ago
  There will be no public rapprochement between the right and the left pretty much anywhere in the world. They are fed by entirely different media machines. If you like, its a coordination problem where the various groups no longer have the commons of a shared reality to coordinate through.
  - platevoltage 7mo ago
    It's not just the "media machines". These two sides have completely different moral values.
    - randomNumber7 7mo ago
      [flagged]
      - williamoforange 7mo ago
        Caring about others and wanting a fair, even handed and democratic government is not self-righteous you muppet. All you are doing is trying to justify your shitty ideals.
        stackbutterflow 7mo ago
        You'll notice it's about how it makes the poster feel. Complaints against the right are usually about their actions, the terrible consequences and how they hurt people. Complaints against the left are often how it makes the complainer feel, it's a mental struggle to not admit they like the result of right wing policies and not being able to embrace a left wing position despite knowing on some level that they should.
        logicchains 7mo ago
        >Caring about others and wanting a fair, even handed and democratic government is not self-righteous you muppet It's self-righteous to say they care about other people but want to help those people with other people's money, not their own. Statistically speaking leftists give far less to charity.
- platevoltage 7mo ago
  There is no anti-war movement on the right. The only time there is, is when a Right-winger is trying to win an election. Once said right winger inevitably starts a war, the pom poms come out.
  - randomNumber7 7mo ago
    If everyone just noticed that they have to vote left the world would be a paradise /S
    - gzread 7mo ago
      You can't vote left in the US, there are no left parties and no left politicians.
  - recursivedoubts 7mo ago
    Tucker Carlson is perhaps the most popular commentator on the right and has a significant following and he is adamantly anti-war. There is a legitimate cross-ideology opportunity here that the war party (which spans both american political parties) is desperate to keep from materializing.
  - LAC-Tech 7mo ago
    I think you are ignorant about the nuances of the US right. It is not a monolithic block anymore than the US left is. Prominent right-wing figures who are against this war: - Tucker Carlson - Thomas Massie - Candace Owens - Marjorie Taylor Greene - Rand Paul - Steve Bannon - Nick Fuentes - Matt Gaetz Honourable mentions: - Joe Rogan (I know many people on HN would consider him right wing) - Charlie Kirk (in the months leading up to his death he said it would be a "catastrophic mistake") Trump's approval rating has dropped -16.7 points: this represents many of his core supporters bleeding away.
- DFHippie 7mo ago
  So Indivisible, which planned the protest, knew the US was going to attack Iran months in advance and plotted this protest to distract from it? What strategic masterminds! What opsec! The left always seemed so fractious and disorganized, but they were just wily, biding their time. But, why? Seriously, I'm sure you're smart enough to know this is absurd. Just sit down and think about it a bit.
  - testaccount28 7mo ago
    would you expect dr evil to give a good "mwahahaha" and a bow?
  - recursivedoubts 7mo ago
    The recent protest isn’t what I’m talking about
- ludicrousdispla 7mo ago
  From the Pew Research poll you linked above: > Among those who consider themselves Republicans, 79% say they approve of how Trump is handling the conflict. 71% of Republicans say the decision to use military force in Iran was correct. 88% of Democrats say the U.S. made the wrong decision to use military force in Iran.
colordrops 7mo ago
They don't even mention the country Iran or the war by name, because it's a DNC op and the DNC also supports war in Iran. They don't mention Israel or Gaza, because the main organizers and funders are Zionist. They have no concrete demands. It's a distraction, a release valve, controlled opposition.
freefrog1234aa 7mo ago
Imagine being king of a gulf monarchy watching the "no kings" protests. Probably censored.

protocolture 7mo ago

Will the citizens of said country do anything to prevent their government from doing this? If no, then why does their disposition matter?

twodave 7mo ago

This. Much of the most prevalent messaging on both the extreme left and the extreme right tends to be from other countries posing as Americans. It’s also difficult to even form opinions lately as the amount of lying by all outlets is nearly impossible to sift through. All we really know is that right, left, black, white, gay or straight, nobody is actually on our side anymore.

culi 7mo ago

The No Kings protests I saw were full of anti-war signs. I kinda assumed the whole protest was an anti-war protest primarily so I'm surprised to hear this take

andrewflnr 7mo ago
It's an anti-Trump protest, so named because of how badly Trump wishes he was a king. The slogan (and organization, maybe?) dates back to at least the start of his current term.
- culi 7mo ago
  Yes. I don't think that contradicts anything I said. It's the third major round in a series of protests and I believe this one was planned after Trump started a war against Iran. I don't think it's a stretch to say that opposition to war was a primary motivating factor for many that attended. I certainly would find that a reasonable conclusion from the signs I saw
  - andrewflnr 7mo ago
    Technically not contradictory, but it's pretty weird to call it an anti-war protest with no further qualification, when the overall emphasis, long term anyway, is clearly anti-Trump. Emphasis matters.

jeroenhd 7mo ago

Every time someone criticises the USA for its atrocities and its ridiculous foreign policies I see this argument, that supposedly most people are supposedly against whatever bad thing is happening right now. Yet, Americans elected Trump, twice even, and gave his party control over the other branches of government at the same time. We'll see at the midterms how much the American populace really disagrees with what the government is doing.

voganmother42 7mo ago
If there is a midterm election