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Number 1 reason why I want to see the United States of America and its very loud citizens get a taste of humble pie in this self-inflicted crisis of idiocy with

• recursivedoubts 7mo ago
  a strong majority of the united states citizens are against the war, despite a full court propaganda press against the right and a no-kings distraction op against the left https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2026/03/25/americans-broadly-disapprove-of-u-s-military-action-in-iran/ https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2026/03/25/americans-br... don't confuse american citizens with the bought-and-paid talking & tweeting heads we are forced to live with
  • pjc50 7mo ago
    "No Kings" isn't a distraction, it's very tangible popular opposition, and they're certainly not in favor of the war?
    • recursivedoubts 7mo ago
      It muddies the waters by focusing on divisive issues like immigration enforcement and de-emphasizing the war, preventing what could be a unified left-and-right antiwar movement. Plain anti-war protests could draw significant support across the political spectrum, so divisive issues are inserted as wedges. Same thing that happened in the 60's, when the anti-war movement went from a coat-and-tie affair to a laurel canyon one.
      • zzgo 7mo ago
        If you think the No Kings movement is preventing a unified front against the war, you haven't been paying attention to the political discourse in the US since the rise of the Tea Party 15+ years ago.
        • recursivedoubts 7mo ago
          man
      • intended 7mo ago
        There will be no public rapprochement between the right and the left pretty much anywhere in the world. They are fed by entirely different media machines. If you like, its a coordination problem where the various groups no longer have the commons of a shared reality to coordinate through.
        • platevoltage 7mo ago
          It's not just the "media machines". These two sides have completely different moral values.
          • randomNumber7 7mo ago
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            • williamoforange 7mo ago
              Caring about others and wanting a fair, even handed and democratic government is not self-righteous you muppet. All you are doing is trying to justify your shitty ideals.
              • stackbutterflow 7mo ago
                You'll notice it's about how it makes the poster feel. Complaints against the right are usually about their actions, the terrible consequences and how they hurt people. Complaints against the left are often how it makes the complainer feel, it's a mental struggle to not admit they like the result of right wing policies and not being able to embrace a left wing position despite knowing on some level that they should.
    • colordrops 7mo ago
      They don't even mention the country Iran or the war by name, because it's a DNC op and the DNC also supports war in Iran. They don't mention Israel or Gaza, because the main organizers and funders are Zionist. They have no concrete demands. It's a distraction, a release valve, controlled opposition.
    • freefrog1234aa 7mo ago
      Imagine being king of a gulf monarchy watching the "no kings" protests. Probably censored.
  • protocolture 7mo ago
    Will the citizens of said country do anything to prevent their government from doing this? If no, then why does their disposition matter?
  • twodave 7mo ago
    This. Much of the most prevalent messaging on both the extreme left and the extreme right tends to be from other countries posing as Americans. It’s also difficult to even form opinions lately as the amount of lying by all outlets is nearly impossible to sift through. All we really know is that right, left, black, white, gay or straight, nobody is actually on our side anymore.
  • culi 7mo ago
    The No Kings protests I saw were full of anti-war signs. I kinda assumed the whole protest was an anti-war protest primarily so I'm surprised to hear this take
    • andrewflnr 7mo ago
      It's an anti-Trump protest, so named because of how badly Trump wishes he was a king. The slogan (and organization, maybe?) dates back to at least the start of his current term.
      • culi 7mo ago
        Yes. I don't think that contradicts anything I said. It's the third major round in a series of protests and I believe this one was planned after Trump started a war against Iran. I don't think it's a stretch to say that opposition to war was a primary motivating factor for many that attended. I certainly would find that a reasonable conclusion from the signs I saw
        • andrewflnr 7mo ago
          Technically not contradictory, but it's pretty weird to call it an anti-war protest with no further qualification, when the overall emphasis, long term anyway, is clearly anti-Trump. Emphasis matters.
  • jeroenhd 7mo ago
    Every time someone criticises the USA for its atrocities and its ridiculous foreign policies I see this argument, that supposedly most people are supposedly against whatever bad thing is happening right now. Yet, Americans elected Trump, twice even, and gave his party control over the other branches of government at the same time. We'll see at the midterms how much the American populace really disagrees with what the government is doing.
    • voganmother42 7mo ago
      If there is a midterm election
• munificent 7mo ago
  > I want to see the United States of America and its very loud citizens get a taste of humble pie in this self-inflicted crisis of idiocy with global ramifications. I sympathize with the sentiment even though I am American. The problem with this is that Americans are not a uniform cohort. The people who deserve to eat humble pie in this scenario are neck deep in propaganda and their own inflated egos and will never learn any rational lesson from this despite how catastrophically it might go. The Americans who are paying attention and will understand the harm of this operation already know it's a fiasco and wish the country was doing anything but what it is doing.
  • randomNumber7 7mo ago
    > The people who deserve to eat humble pie in this scenario are neck deep in propaganda and their own inflated egos and will never learn any rational lesson from this They will turn on someone or something they can blame.
    • munificent 7mo ago
      100%. Scapegoating is a key pillar in the authoritarian playbook.
  • locallost 7mo ago
    You're 100% correct, but this is true for the Iranians, Russians and all other "enemies". Most people are however forced into these views because it serves a purpose. You're not afraid of the enemy if they are presented as normal humans with plenty of internal disagreement.
• boc 7mo ago
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  • megous 7mo ago
    Great, you can now help genocide defenseless children, and attack countries to cause massive disruptions to the rest of the world, without much worry. Sure great strategy to get HATED, as you should be.
  • voganmother42 7mo ago
    Right, like when they didn't refill the oil reserves, brilliant 4d chess.
    • peterbecich 7mo ago
      That is partially due to damage from the previous reserve drawdown.
  • stein1946 7mo ago
    > America wages a war of revenge A war of what? Do you really believe that states wage war because of "revenge"? > Perhaps America isn't as dumb as you think No, they are dumber. If this presidency was in Europe - or any other 1st world country - it would have been obliterated immediately and the party wiped out in the next elections. > because of their strategic preparation. lol to that.
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  • temp8830 7mo ago
    Some folks had to be in line for gas 50 years ago, and the revenge for that is killing children? I guess "dumb" doesn't describe this. "Insane" is a better fit.
  • fundatus 7mo ago
    Well, the US is still dependent on foreign heavy oil for their refineries as it mostly produces shale oil (for export). So it very much isn't independent even though it looks like it when you see the numbers.
• hermannj314 7mo ago
  One freedom denied to Americans is that we can not provide comfort to our enemies - this is punishable by death according our constitution, so we tend to err on unwavering support for our military always. Many Americans may be absolutely against this horrible, barbaric, idiotic action in the Middle East, but they might wisely not want to talk about it. So let me say "Thank you to all American troops for your service, God bless America. Our military is the only reason we have peace and freedom." - this is my official public opinion as an American and I would never have at least two witnesses catch me saying anything different.
• s5300 7mo ago
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• jacquesm 7mo ago
  You'd think after 9/11 that the US would approach all of this with more forethought but the opposite seems to be the case.
  • sam-cop-vimes 7mo ago
    When I was a child, I was part of a team playing a game against a team which was stronger than us. Each player from one team had to take turns taking the attack to the opponent's team. Every player in our team put themselves forward thinking they can do better, only to be slapped down. The current administration's approach is something similar. They think that because they have managed to take over American politics and do as they please in the US, they think they can do anything they want outside the US as well. Previous administrations had more awareness of their limitations - but I guess we are in the FA of the FAFO phase.