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Really surprising how many people are downplaying this leak! "Google and OpenAi have already open sourced their Agents, so this leak isn't that relevant " What

Really surprising how many people are downplaying this leak! "Google and OpenAi have already open sourced their Agents, so this leak isn't that relevant " What Google and OpenAi have open sourced is their Agents SDK, a toolkit, not the secret sauce of how their flagship agents are wired under the hood! expect the takedown hammer on the tweet, the R2 link, and any public repos soon

MallocVoidstar 6mo ago
Codex is open source: https://github.com/openai/codex https://github.com/openai/codex
kaszanka 6mo ago
Is https://github.com/google-gemini/gemini-cli https://github.com/google-gemini/gemini-cli not 'the flagship agent' itself? It looks that way to me, for example here's a part of the prompt https://github.com/google-gemini/gemini-cli/blob/e293424bb4973fc2a281f67c43594222263b240a/packages/core/src/prompts/snippets.ts#L178-L250 https://github.com/google-gemini/gemini-cli/blob/e293424bb49...
loveparade 6mo ago
It's exactly the same as the open source codex/gemini and other clis like opencode. There is no secret sauce in the claude cli, and the agent harness itself is no better (worse IMO) than the others. The only thing interesting about this leak is that it may contain unreleased features/flags that are not public yet and hint at what Anthropic is working on.
hmokiguess 6mo ago
Do you think the other companies don’t have sufficient resources to attempt reverse engineering and deobfuscating a client side application? The source maps help for sure, but it’s not like client code is kept secret, maybe they even knew about the source maps a while back just didn’t bother making it common knowledge. This is not a leak of the model weights or server side code.
mmaunder 6mo ago
Agreed. This is a big deal.
nunez 6mo ago
Yeah, this is the LLaMa leak moment for agentic app dev, IMO. Huge deal. Big win for Opencode and the like.
weird-eye-issue 6mo ago
It doesn't matter that much. Trust me you could just have an LLM reverse engineer the obfuscated code.
- ithkuil 6mo ago
  yeah it actually works to use claude to reverse engineer itself; I've used that to workaround some problems. E.g. that's how I discovered that I had to put two slashes for absolute paths in sandbox config. The thing is, the claude team is so quick that soon enough they add more and more features and fix more and more bugs that your workarounds become obsolete
  - petcat 6mo ago
    > they add more and more features and fix more and more bugs My experience has been that they add far more bugs in every release than they fix
- sodapopcan 6mo ago
  The point is that a "secure coding platform" leaked something they were trying to keep under wraps, whether the contents of the leak matter or not. Also, as many others have pointed out, there is roadmap info in here that wouldn't be available in the production build.
  - Capricorn2481 6mo ago
    > The point is that a "secure coding platform" leaked something they were trying to keep under wraps, whether the contents of the leak matter or not Sure, but that's completely different from what they were responding to to, which was someone insinuating the Claude Code CLI has secret sauce that makes it better than the competition.
    - sodapopcan 6mo ago
      Fair, I was just seeing so much of this and randomly responded to yours.
danmaz74 6mo ago
I guess that the most important potential "secret sauce" for a coding agent would be its prompts, but that's also one of the easiest things to find out by simply intercepting its messages.
- mholm 6mo ago
  The only real secret sauce is the training methods and datasets used for refining harness usage. Claude Code is a lot better than gemini-cli/open-code/etc because Claude is specifically trained on how to run in that environment. It's been rlhf'd to use the provided tools correctly, and know the framework in which it operates, instead of relying solely on context.
IceWreck 6mo ago
> What Google and OpenAi have open sourced is their Agents SDK, a toolkit, not the secret sauce of how their flagship agents are wired under the hood And how is that any different? Claude Code is a harness, similar to open source ones like Codex, Gemini CLI, OpenCode etc. Their prompts were already public because you could connect it to your own LLM gateway and see everything. The code was transpiled javascript which is trivial to read with LLMs anyways.
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MallocVoidstar 6mo ago

Codex is open source: https://github.com/openai/codex https://github.com/openai/codex

kaszanka 6mo ago

Is https://github.com/google-gemini/gemini-cli https://github.com/google-gemini/gemini-cli not 'the flagship agent' itself? It looks that way to me, for example here's a part of the prompt https://github.com/google-gemini/gemini-cli/blob/e293424bb4973fc2a281f67c43594222263b240a/packages/core/src/prompts/snippets.ts#L178-L250 https://github.com/google-gemini/gemini-cli/blob/e293424bb49...

loveparade 6mo ago

It's exactly the same as the open source codex/gemini and other clis like opencode. There is no secret sauce in the claude cli, and the agent harness itself is no better (worse IMO) than the others. The only thing interesting about this leak is that it may contain unreleased features/flags that are not public yet and hint at what Anthropic is working on.

hmokiguess 6mo ago

Do you think the other companies don’t have sufficient resources to attempt reverse engineering and deobfuscating a client side application? The source maps help for sure, but it’s not like client code is kept secret, maybe they even knew about the source maps a while back just didn’t bother making it common knowledge. This is not a leak of the model weights or server side code.

mmaunder 6mo ago

Agreed. This is a big deal.

nunez 6mo ago

Yeah, this is the LLaMa leak moment for agentic app dev, IMO. Huge deal. Big win for Opencode and the like.

weird-eye-issue 6mo ago

It doesn't matter that much. Trust me you could just have an LLM reverse engineer the obfuscated code.

ithkuil 6mo ago
yeah it actually works to use claude to reverse engineer itself; I've used that to workaround some problems. E.g. that's how I discovered that I had to put two slashes for absolute paths in sandbox config. The thing is, the claude team is so quick that soon enough they add more and more features and fix more and more bugs that your workarounds become obsolete
- petcat 6mo ago
  > they add more and more features and fix more and more bugs My experience has been that they add far more bugs in every release than they fix
sodapopcan 6mo ago
The point is that a "secure coding platform" leaked something they were trying to keep under wraps, whether the contents of the leak matter or not. Also, as many others have pointed out, there is roadmap info in here that wouldn't be available in the production build.
- Capricorn2481 6mo ago
  > The point is that a "secure coding platform" leaked something they were trying to keep under wraps, whether the contents of the leak matter or not Sure, but that's completely different from what they were responding to to, which was someone insinuating the Claude Code CLI has secret sauce that makes it better than the competition.
  - sodapopcan 6mo ago
    Fair, I was just seeing so much of this and randomly responded to yours.

danmaz74 6mo ago

I guess that the most important potential "secret sauce" for a coding agent would be its prompts, but that's also one of the easiest things to find out by simply intercepting its messages.

mholm 6mo ago
The only real secret sauce is the training methods and datasets used for refining harness usage. Claude Code is a lot better than gemini-cli/open-code/etc because Claude is specifically trained on how to run in that environment. It's been rlhf'd to use the provided tools correctly, and know the framework in which it operates, instead of relying solely on context.

IceWreck 6mo ago

> What Google and OpenAi have open sourced is their Agents SDK, a toolkit, not the secret sauce of how their flagship agents are wired under the hood And how is that any different? Claude Code is a harness, similar to open source ones like Codex, Gemini CLI, OpenCode etc. Their prompts were already public because you could connect it to your own LLM gateway and see everything. The code was transpiled javascript which is trivial to read with LLMs anyways.

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