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It is racist by the fact that it is based on race. Worse, it continues to reinforce thinking along racial lines rather than circumstancial ones thus perpetuati

It is racist by the fact that it is based on race. Worse, it continues to reinforce thinking along racial lines rather than circumstancial ones thus perpetuating the idea that we should classify based on race. It would be much better to stop saying "you get this because you are this colour" and start saying "you get this because it looks like you could use a hand." Racism exists, but trying to fight it with more racism is not going to help reduce the focus on race, and until people stop identifying race as a good way to classify a human, racism won't go away.

alxp 14y ago
> It is racist by the fact that it is based on race. Your definition is too simplistic. Racism isn't just prejudice based on race. Racism requires a power imbalance. Acting to counteract an institutional imbalance caused by racism is not "just anotehr kind of racism."
- ShawnBird 14y ago
  The focus on race in racism is, in part, due to people acknowledging race as a thing. There is nothing more significant about skin color than hair color but we don't have programs to help out blondes and we don't talk about 'the blonde vote'.
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- grannyg00se 14y ago
  Oppression requires a power imbalance. Racism only requires using race as a classification upon which you base your actions. Choosing who you hang out with simply based on race is racism even though ut is not a power imbalance. And you can act to counteract an institutional imbalance caused by racism without furthering racism. Focus on something else. Race is being reinforced as an accepted means to classify people and that is the root cause of the problem.
  - vertr 14y ago
    Your definition of racism is incorrect. "Racism is usually defined as views, practices and actions reflecting the belief that humanity is divided into distinct biological groups called races and that members of a certain race share certain attributes which make that group as a whole less desirable, more desirable, inferior or superior." Wikipedia.
    - grannyg00se 14y ago
      What I said racism is: "using race as a classification upon which you base your actions" What your quote says: "...practices and actions reflecting the belief that humanity is divided into groups called races." I don't see how my definition is all that far off.
      - vertr 14y ago
        "and that members of a certain race share certain attributes which make that group as a whole less desirable, more desirable, inferior or superior." That's the important part. "Using race as a classification upon which you base your actions" is not by definition racism. Just as using sex as a classification upon which to base actions is not sexism. There is a requirement that those classifications must be used to discriminate or suggest that another group is superior in order for it to be racism or sexism. Thus your definition is wrong because you selectively ignored a key part of the actual definition.
  - king_jester 14y ago
    > Racism only requires using race as a classification upon which you base your actions. This completely flies in the face of the history of racism and racism systems in the US. The most raw and visceral forms of slavery and de-facto slavery in the US are most certainly based on power imbalance. Being disproportionately affected by laws and economic policy drafted by mostly white political bodies is a power imbalance. Direct, physical actions by police forces and governments against communities of color is a power imbalance. All of these things are institutional problems regarding race the US faces today and all come back to fundamental power imbalance. > And you can act to counteract an institutional imbalance caused by racism without furthering racism. Absolutely true, and policies such as affirmative action do not further racism but rather attempt to fix a small aspect of it. > Focus on something else. This is a total derailment. Institutional oppressions are highly linked to racism, to ignore it is to dismiss the criticisms and voices of people of color point this power imbalance out.

alxp 14y ago

> It is racist by the fact that it is based on race. Your definition is too simplistic. Racism isn't just prejudice based on race. Racism requires a power imbalance. Acting to counteract an institutional imbalance caused by racism is not "just anotehr kind of racism."

ShawnBird 14y ago
The focus on race in racism is, in part, due to people acknowledging race as a thing. There is nothing more significant about skin color than hair color but we don't have programs to help out blondes and we don't talk about 'the blonde vote'.
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grannyg00se 14y ago
Oppression requires a power imbalance. Racism only requires using race as a classification upon which you base your actions. Choosing who you hang out with simply based on race is racism even though ut is not a power imbalance. And you can act to counteract an institutional imbalance caused by racism without furthering racism. Focus on something else. Race is being reinforced as an accepted means to classify people and that is the root cause of the problem.
- vertr 14y ago
  Your definition of racism is incorrect. "Racism is usually defined as views, practices and actions reflecting the belief that humanity is divided into distinct biological groups called races and that members of a certain race share certain attributes which make that group as a whole less desirable, more desirable, inferior or superior." Wikipedia.
  - grannyg00se 14y ago
    What I said racism is: "using race as a classification upon which you base your actions" What your quote says: "...practices and actions reflecting the belief that humanity is divided into groups called races." I don't see how my definition is all that far off.
    - vertr 14y ago
      "and that members of a certain race share certain attributes which make that group as a whole less desirable, more desirable, inferior or superior." That's the important part. "Using race as a classification upon which you base your actions" is not by definition racism. Just as using sex as a classification upon which to base actions is not sexism. There is a requirement that those classifications must be used to discriminate or suggest that another group is superior in order for it to be racism or sexism. Thus your definition is wrong because you selectively ignored a key part of the actual definition.
- king_jester 14y ago
  > Racism only requires using race as a classification upon which you base your actions. This completely flies in the face of the history of racism and racism systems in the US. The most raw and visceral forms of slavery and de-facto slavery in the US are most certainly based on power imbalance. Being disproportionately affected by laws and economic policy drafted by mostly white political bodies is a power imbalance. Direct, physical actions by police forces and governments against communities of color is a power imbalance. All of these things are institutional problems regarding race the US faces today and all come back to fundamental power imbalance. > And you can act to counteract an institutional imbalance caused by racism without furthering racism. Absolutely true, and policies such as affirmative action do not further racism but rather attempt to fix a small aspect of it. > Focus on something else. This is a total derailment. Institutional oppressions are highly linked to racism, to ignore it is to dismiss the criticisms and voices of people of color point this power imbalance out.