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It really doesn’t matter anymore. I’m saying this as a person who used to care about it. It does what it’s generally supposed to do, it has users. Two things th

It really doesn’t matter anymore. I’m saying this as a person who used to care about it. It does what it’s generally supposed to do, it has users. Two things that matter at this day and age.

FiberBundle 7mo ago
This is the dumbest take there is about vibe coding. Claiming that managing complexity in a codebase doesn't matter anymore. I can't imagine that a competent engineer would come to the conclusion that managing complexity doesn't matter anymore. There is actually some evidence that coding agents struggle the same way humans do as the complexity of the system increases [0]. [0] https://arxiv.org/abs/2603.24755 https://arxiv.org/abs/2603.24755
- tokioyoyo 7mo ago
  I agree, there is obviously “complete burning trash” and there’s this. Ant team has got a system going on for them where they can still extend the codebase. When time comes to it, I’m assuming they would be able to rewrite as feature set would be more solid and assuming they’ve been adding tests as well. Reverse-engineering through tests have never been easier, which could collapse the complexity and clean the code.
- maplethorpe 7mo ago
  Well what is Anthropic doing differently to deal with this issue? Apparently they don't write any of their own code anymore, and they're doing fine.
  - bakugo 7mo ago
    Nothing, apparently, which is probably why Claude Code has 7893 open issues on Github at the time of writing.
    - otterley 7mo ago
      All software that’s popular has hundreds or thousands of issues filed against it. It’s not an objective indication of anything other than people having issues to report and a willingness and ability to report the issue. It doesn’t mean every issue is valid, that it contains a suggestion that can be implemented, that it can be addressed immediately, etc. The issue list might not be curated, either, resulting in a garbage heap.
      - tomjakubowski 7mo ago
        For what one anecdote is worth: through casual use I've found a handful of annoying UI bugs in Claude Code, and all of them were already reported on the bug tracker and either still open, or auto-closed without a real resolution.
  - nvarsj 7mo ago
    Cc is buggy as hell man. I frequently search the github for the issue I’m having only to find 10 exact bugs that no one is looking at. Obviously they don’t care. Adoption is exploding. Boris brags about making 30 commits a day to the codebase. Only will be an issue down the line when the codebase has such high entropy it takes months to add new features (maybe already there).
samhh 7mo ago
It may be economically effective but such heartless, buggy software is a drain to use. I care about that delta, and yes this can be extrapolated to other industries.
- tokioyoyo 7mo ago
  Genuinely I have no idea what you mean by buggy. Sure there are some problems here and there, but my personal threshold for “buggy” is much higher. I guess, for a lot of other people as well, given the uptake and usage.
  - mattmanser 7mo ago
    Two weeks ago typing became super laggy. It was totally unusable. Last week I had to reinstall Claude Desktop because every time I opened it, it just hung. This week I am sometimes opening it and getting a blank screen. It eventually works after I open it a few times. And of course there's people complaining that somehow they're blowing their 5 hour token budget in 5 messages. It's really buggy. There's only so long their model will be their advantage before they all become very similar, and then the difference will be how reliable the tools are. Right now the Claude Code code quality seems extremely low.
    - tokioyoyo 7mo ago
      And those bugs were semi-fixed and people are still using it. So speed of fixes are there. I can’t comment on Claude Desktop, sorry. Personally haven’t used it much. The token usage looks like is intentional. And I agree about the underlying model being the moat. If there’s something marginally better that comes up, people will switch to it (myself included). But for now it’s doing the job, despite all the hiccups, code quality and etc.
      - mattmanser 7mo ago
        Do you feel like rescinding your comment now this article is on the the HN front-page: "Anthropic: Claude Code users hitting usage limits 'way faster than expected'" https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47586176 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47586176 Anthropic themselves have confirmed that something's wrong on reddit: https://old.reddit.com/r/Anthropic/comments/1s7zfap/investigating_usage_limits_hitting_faster_than/ https://old.reddit.com/r/Anthropic/comments/1s7zfap/investig...
hrmtst93837 7mo ago
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- tokioyoyo 7mo ago
  “It works and it’s doing what it’s supposed to do” encompasses the idea that it’s also not doing what it’s not supposed to do. Also “one bad incident away” never works in practice. The last two decades have shown how people will use the tools that get the job done no matter what kinda privacy leaks, destructive things they have done to the user.
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ghywertelling 7mo ago
Do compilers care about their assembly generated code to look good? We will soon reach that state with all the production code. LLMs will be the compiler and actual today's human code will be replaced by LLM generated assembly code, kinda sorta human readable.
drstewart 7mo ago
>Two things that matter at this day and age. That's all that has mattered in every day and age.

It really doesn’t matter anymore. I’m saying this as a person who used to care about it. It does what it’s generally supposed to do, it has users. Two things that matter at this day and age.

FiberBundle 7mo ago

This is the dumbest take there is about vibe coding. Claiming that managing complexity in a codebase doesn't matter anymore. I can't imagine that a competent engineer would come to the conclusion that managing complexity doesn't matter anymore. There is actually some evidence that coding agents struggle the same way humans do as the complexity of the system increases [0]. [0] https://arxiv.org/abs/2603.24755 https://arxiv.org/abs/2603.24755

tokioyoyo 7mo ago
I agree, there is obviously “complete burning trash” and there’s this. Ant team has got a system going on for them where they can still extend the codebase. When time comes to it, I’m assuming they would be able to rewrite as feature set would be more solid and assuming they’ve been adding tests as well. Reverse-engineering through tests have never been easier, which could collapse the complexity and clean the code.
maplethorpe 7mo ago
Well what is Anthropic doing differently to deal with this issue? Apparently they don't write any of their own code anymore, and they're doing fine.
- bakugo 7mo ago
  Nothing, apparently, which is probably why Claude Code has 7893 open issues on Github at the time of writing.
  - otterley 7mo ago
    All software that’s popular has hundreds or thousands of issues filed against it. It’s not an objective indication of anything other than people having issues to report and a willingness and ability to report the issue. It doesn’t mean every issue is valid, that it contains a suggestion that can be implemented, that it can be addressed immediately, etc. The issue list might not be curated, either, resulting in a garbage heap.
    - tomjakubowski 7mo ago
      For what one anecdote is worth: through casual use I've found a handful of annoying UI bugs in Claude Code, and all of them were already reported on the bug tracker and either still open, or auto-closed without a real resolution.
- nvarsj 7mo ago
  Cc is buggy as hell man. I frequently search the github for the issue I’m having only to find 10 exact bugs that no one is looking at. Obviously they don’t care. Adoption is exploding. Boris brags about making 30 commits a day to the codebase. Only will be an issue down the line when the codebase has such high entropy it takes months to add new features (maybe already there).

samhh 7mo ago

It may be economically effective but such heartless, buggy software is a drain to use. I care about that delta, and yes this can be extrapolated to other industries.

tokioyoyo 7mo ago
Genuinely I have no idea what you mean by buggy. Sure there are some problems here and there, but my personal threshold for “buggy” is much higher. I guess, for a lot of other people as well, given the uptake and usage.
- mattmanser 7mo ago
  Two weeks ago typing became super laggy. It was totally unusable. Last week I had to reinstall Claude Desktop because every time I opened it, it just hung. This week I am sometimes opening it and getting a blank screen. It eventually works after I open it a few times. And of course there's people complaining that somehow they're blowing their 5 hour token budget in 5 messages. It's really buggy. There's only so long their model will be their advantage before they all become very similar, and then the difference will be how reliable the tools are. Right now the Claude Code code quality seems extremely low.
  - tokioyoyo 7mo ago
    And those bugs were semi-fixed and people are still using it. So speed of fixes are there. I can’t comment on Claude Desktop, sorry. Personally haven’t used it much. The token usage looks like is intentional. And I agree about the underlying model being the moat. If there’s something marginally better that comes up, people will switch to it (myself included). But for now it’s doing the job, despite all the hiccups, code quality and etc.
    - mattmanser 7mo ago
      Do you feel like rescinding your comment now this article is on the the HN front-page: "Anthropic: Claude Code users hitting usage limits 'way faster than expected'" https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47586176 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47586176 Anthropic themselves have confirmed that something's wrong on reddit: https://old.reddit.com/r/Anthropic/comments/1s7zfap/investigating_usage_limits_hitting_faster_than/ https://old.reddit.com/r/Anthropic/comments/1s7zfap/investig...

hrmtst93837 7mo ago

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tokioyoyo 7mo ago
“It works and it’s doing what it’s supposed to do” encompasses the idea that it’s also not doing what it’s not supposed to do. Also “one bad incident away” never works in practice. The last two decades have shown how people will use the tools that get the job done no matter what kinda privacy leaks, destructive things they have done to the user.

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ghywertelling 7mo ago

Do compilers care about their assembly generated code to look good? We will soon reach that state with all the production code. LLMs will be the compiler and actual today's human code will be replaced by LLM generated assembly code, kinda sorta human readable.

drstewart 7mo ago

>Two things that matter at this day and age. That's all that has mattered in every day and age.