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I think Iran getting nukes will probably be the best outcome on balance. It should be a damper on Israeli willy nilly belligerence which is the chief source of

I think Iran getting nukes will probably be the best outcome on balance. It should be a damper on Israeli willy nilly belligerence which is the chief source of issues in that region. Iran hasn't nuked anyone and didn't even particularly wanted to build nukes that hard. Israel is the only country in that region wil illegal nukes so if anyone is an existential threat who must be bombed it should be Israel. But really, rather noboby bomb anyone and to this end Iran getting nukes and perhaps some Arab countries building nukes in response should calm them down.

rasz 6mo ago
Iran getting nukes is the worst outcome, it will mean full impunity Hezbollah and Houthis. think this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Houthi_attacks_on_commercial_vessels https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Houthi_attacks_on_commercial_v... but backed by nuclear power. Look at the weapons listed in that table, where do you think a cave dwelling terrorist in Yemen gets its hands on a cruise missile, or anti-ship ballistic missile. Its not like they make those in house. It was all Iran.
- donkeybeer 6mo ago
  >Houthi forces began attacking shipping vessels affiliated with Israel passing through the Red Sea on 19 November 2023. It says but then of course says later on they started attacking more, I am not sure I can take these unreliable persons on face value on the fact that only ships reaching Israel were being targeted. But if that's true I have no problems, I am not Israeli and if they aren't bothering anyone else that will only serve to cool down Israeli warmongering and indiscriminate violence further. I absolutely do not like any party in this but Israel seems the most misbehaving of the lot. With parties I hate, the best possible outcome is to keep them at razors edge of each others capabilities and busy with each other. In that light, currently I hope Iran bolsters itself and obtains nukes. I doubt it'd increase their belligerence much, rather the more important outcome is that it makes Israel think a bit more before starting brazen invasions of Iran, and should hopefully quickly lead to the gulf countries developing their own nukes causing a balancing of powers. The gulfs weird subservience to Israel would no longer be as much of a geopolitical necessity for them effectively making warmaking quite tough for Israel and silencing most of the violence in the region.

rasz 6mo ago

Iran getting nukes is the worst outcome, it will mean full impunity Hezbollah and Houthis. think this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Houthi_attacks_on_commercial_vessels https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Houthi_attacks_on_commercial_v... but backed by nuclear power. Look at the weapons listed in that table, where do you think a cave dwelling terrorist in Yemen gets its hands on a cruise missile, or anti-ship ballistic missile. Its not like they make those in house. It was all Iran.

donkeybeer 6mo ago
>Houthi forces began attacking shipping vessels affiliated with Israel passing through the Red Sea on 19 November 2023. It says but then of course says later on they started attacking more, I am not sure I can take these unreliable persons on face value on the fact that only ships reaching Israel were being targeted. But if that's true I have no problems, I am not Israeli and if they aren't bothering anyone else that will only serve to cool down Israeli warmongering and indiscriminate violence further. I absolutely do not like any party in this but Israel seems the most misbehaving of the lot. With parties I hate, the best possible outcome is to keep them at razors edge of each others capabilities and busy with each other. In that light, currently I hope Iran bolsters itself and obtains nukes. I doubt it'd increase their belligerence much, rather the more important outcome is that it makes Israel think a bit more before starting brazen invasions of Iran, and should hopefully quickly lead to the gulf countries developing their own nukes causing a balancing of powers. The gulfs weird subservience to Israel would no longer be as much of a geopolitical necessity for them effectively making warmaking quite tough for Israel and silencing most of the violence in the region.