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Would be interesting to run this through Malus [1] or literally just Claude Code and get open source Claude Code out of it. I jest, but in a world where these

by avaer 7mo ago

Would be interesting to run this through Malus [1] or literally just Claude Code and get open source Claude Code out of it. I jest, but in a world where these models have been trained on gigatons of open source I don't even see the moral problem. IANAL, don't actually do this. https://malus.sh/ https://malus.sh/

NitpickLawyer 7mo ago
The problem is the oauth and their stance on bypassing that. You'd want to use your subscription, and they probably can detect that and ban users. They hold all the power there.
- avaer 7mo ago
  You'd be playing cat and mouse like yt-dlp, but there's probably more value to this code than just a temporary way to milk claude subscriptions.
  - stingraycharles 7mo ago
    I don’t think that’s a good comparison. There isn’t anything preventing Anthropic from, say, detecting whether the user is using the exact same system prompt and tool definition as Claude Code and call it a day. Will make developing other apps nearly impossible. It’s a dynamic, subscription based service, not a static asset like a video.
    - falcor84 7mo ago
      > detecting whether the user is using the exact same system prompt and tool definition as Claude Code Why would it be the exact same one? Now that we have the code, it's trivial to have it randomize the prompt a bit on different requests.
  - esperent 7mo ago
    If you're using a claude subscription you'd just use claude code. The real value here will be in using other cheap models with the cc harness.
    - raincole 7mo ago
      Lol what? There is no value. OpenCode and Pi and more exist. Arguably Claude Code is the worst client on the market. People use Claude Code not because it's some amazing software. It's to access Opus at a discounted rate.
    - somehnguy 7mo ago
      I have no interest in Claude Code as a harness, only their models. I'm used to OpenCode at this point and don't want to switch to a proprietary harness.
    - jen20 7mo ago
      You can already do that though? [1] [1]: https://docs.ollama.com/integrations/claude-code https://docs.ollama.com/integrations/claude-code
- woleium 7mo ago
  Just use one of the distilled claude clones instead https://x.com/0xsero/status/2038021723719688266?s=46 https://x.com/0xsero/status/2038021723719688266?s=46
  - echelon 7mo ago
    "Approach Sonnet"... So not even close to Opus, then? These are a year behind, if not more. And they're probably clunky to use.
- pkaeding 7mo ago
  Could you use claude via aws bedrock?
  - NitpickLawyer 7mo ago
    Sure, but that'd be charged at API pricing. I'm talking about subscription mode above.
dahcryn 7mo ago
I love the irony on seeing the contribution counter at 0 Who'd have thought, the audience who doesn't want to give back to the opensource community, giving 0 contributions...
- larodi 7mo ago
  It reads attribution really?
kelnos 7mo ago
Oh god, I was so close to believing Malus was a real product and not satire.
- magistr4te 7mo ago
  It is a real product. They take real payments and deliver on whats promised. Not sure if its an attempt to subvert criticism by using satirical language, or if they truly have so little respect for the open source community.
- otikik 7mo ago
  Yeah... look again. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6godSEVvcmU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6godSEVvcmU
rvnx 7mo ago
Malus is not a real project btw, it's a parody: “Let's end open source together with this one simple trick” https://pretalx.fosdem.org/fosdem-2026/talk/SUVS7G/feedback/ https://pretalx.fosdem.org/fosdem-2026/talk/SUVS7G/feedback/ Malus is translating code into text, and from text back into code. It gives the illusion of clean room implementation that some companies abuse. The irony is that ChatGPT/Claude answers are all actually directly derived from open-source code, so...
- otikik 7mo ago
  They accept real money though. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6godSEVvcmU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6godSEVvcmU
- LelouBil 7mo ago
  First time I hear about this, it's interesting to have written all of this out. Now this makes me think of game decompilation projects, which would seem to fall in the same legal area as code that would be generated by something like Malus. Different code, same end result (binary or api). We definitely need to know what the legal limits are and should be
  - quadruple 7mo ago
    Semi-related, someone made basically Malus-for-San-Andreas: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zBQJYMKmwAs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zBQJYMKmwAs
    - LelouBil 7mo ago
      That's fascinating ! I think it's worth posting as its own submission (if it wasn't already).
  - throawayonthe 7mo ago
    i think most game decompilation projects are either openly illegal or operate on "provide your own binary" and build automatic tooling around it
gosub100 7mo ago
What are they worried about? Someone taking the company's job? Hehe
aizk 7mo ago
This has happened before. It was called anon kode.
TIPSIO 7mo ago
Eh, the value is the unlimited Max plan which they have rightfully banned from third-party use. People simply want Opus without fear of billing nightmare. That’s like 99% of it.
sumeno 7mo ago
No real reason to do that, they say Claude Code is written by Claude, which means it has no copyright. Just use the code directly
- williamcotton 7mo ago
  What about trade secrets, breach of contract, etc, etc?
  - fsmv 7mo ago
    Trade secrets once made public don't have any legal protection and I haven't signed any contract with anthropic
  - jpetso 7mo ago
    Apparently it's possible to download a whole load of books illegally, but still train AI models on them without those getting pulled after you get found out. The same reasoning may apply here :P
    - bigbuppo 7mo ago
      Yeah, but you don't have trillions of dollars of investments riding on your success, so the rules still apply to you.
  - dns_snek 7mo ago
    They published the code on their own, none of that applies.
conradfr 7mo ago
Maybe https://github.com/instructkr/claw-code https://github.com/instructkr/claw-code
DamnInteresting 7mo ago
Malus is a homophone of "malice." But then again "Claude" is a homophone of "clod."

by avaer 7mo ago

NitpickLawyer 7mo ago

The problem is the oauth and their stance on bypassing that. You'd want to use your subscription, and they probably can detect that and ban users. They hold all the power there.

avaer 7mo ago
You'd be playing cat and mouse like yt-dlp, but there's probably more value to this code than just a temporary way to milk claude subscriptions.
- stingraycharles 7mo ago
  I don’t think that’s a good comparison. There isn’t anything preventing Anthropic from, say, detecting whether the user is using the exact same system prompt and tool definition as Claude Code and call it a day. Will make developing other apps nearly impossible. It’s a dynamic, subscription based service, not a static asset like a video.
  - falcor84 7mo ago
    > detecting whether the user is using the exact same system prompt and tool definition as Claude Code Why would it be the exact same one? Now that we have the code, it's trivial to have it randomize the prompt a bit on different requests.
- esperent 7mo ago
  If you're using a claude subscription you'd just use claude code. The real value here will be in using other cheap models with the cc harness.
  - raincole 7mo ago
    Lol what? There is no value. OpenCode and Pi and more exist. Arguably Claude Code is the worst client on the market. People use Claude Code not because it's some amazing software. It's to access Opus at a discounted rate.
  - somehnguy 7mo ago
    I have no interest in Claude Code as a harness, only their models. I'm used to OpenCode at this point and don't want to switch to a proprietary harness.
  - jen20 7mo ago
    You can already do that though? [1] [1]: https://docs.ollama.com/integrations/claude-code https://docs.ollama.com/integrations/claude-code
woleium 7mo ago
Just use one of the distilled claude clones instead https://x.com/0xsero/status/2038021723719688266?s=46 https://x.com/0xsero/status/2038021723719688266?s=46
- echelon 7mo ago
  "Approach Sonnet"... So not even close to Opus, then? These are a year behind, if not more. And they're probably clunky to use.
pkaeding 7mo ago
Could you use claude via aws bedrock?
- NitpickLawyer 7mo ago
  Sure, but that'd be charged at API pricing. I'm talking about subscription mode above.

dahcryn 7mo ago

I love the irony on seeing the contribution counter at 0 Who'd have thought, the audience who doesn't want to give back to the opensource community, giving 0 contributions...

larodi 7mo ago
It reads attribution really?

kelnos 7mo ago

Oh god, I was so close to believing Malus was a real product and not satire.

magistr4te 7mo ago
It is a real product. They take real payments and deliver on whats promised. Not sure if its an attempt to subvert criticism by using satirical language, or if they truly have so little respect for the open source community.
otikik 7mo ago
Yeah... look again. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6godSEVvcmU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6godSEVvcmU

rvnx 7mo ago

Malus is not a real project btw, it's a parody: “Let's end open source together with this one simple trick” https://pretalx.fosdem.org/fosdem-2026/talk/SUVS7G/feedback/ https://pretalx.fosdem.org/fosdem-2026/talk/SUVS7G/feedback/ Malus is translating code into text, and from text back into code. It gives the illusion of clean room implementation that some companies abuse. The irony is that ChatGPT/Claude answers are all actually directly derived from open-source code, so...

otikik 7mo ago
They accept real money though. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6godSEVvcmU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6godSEVvcmU
LelouBil 7mo ago
First time I hear about this, it's interesting to have written all of this out. Now this makes me think of game decompilation projects, which would seem to fall in the same legal area as code that would be generated by something like Malus. Different code, same end result (binary or api). We definitely need to know what the legal limits are and should be
- quadruple 7mo ago
  Semi-related, someone made basically Malus-for-San-Andreas: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zBQJYMKmwAs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zBQJYMKmwAs
  - LelouBil 7mo ago
    That's fascinating ! I think it's worth posting as its own submission (if it wasn't already).
- throawayonthe 7mo ago
  i think most game decompilation projects are either openly illegal or operate on "provide your own binary" and build automatic tooling around it

gosub100 7mo ago

What are they worried about? Someone taking the company's job? Hehe

aizk 7mo ago

This has happened before. It was called anon kode.

TIPSIO 7mo ago

Eh, the value is the unlimited Max plan which they have rightfully banned from third-party use. People simply want Opus without fear of billing nightmare. That’s like 99% of it.

sumeno 7mo ago

No real reason to do that, they say Claude Code is written by Claude, which means it has no copyright. Just use the code directly

williamcotton 7mo ago
What about trade secrets, breach of contract, etc, etc?
- fsmv 7mo ago
  Trade secrets once made public don't have any legal protection and I haven't signed any contract with anthropic
- jpetso 7mo ago
  Apparently it's possible to download a whole load of books illegally, but still train AI models on them without those getting pulled after you get found out. The same reasoning may apply here :P
  - bigbuppo 7mo ago
    Yeah, but you don't have trillions of dollars of investments riding on your success, so the rules still apply to you.
- dns_snek 7mo ago
  They published the code on their own, none of that applies.

conradfr 7mo ago

Maybe https://github.com/instructkr/claw-code https://github.com/instructkr/claw-code

DamnInteresting 7mo ago

Malus is a homophone of "malice." But then again "Claude" is a homophone of "clod."