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I'm sure the other astronauts are really looking forward to fly with a person showing signs of suicidal ideation.

phantom784 6mo ago
I read this as "accepting a risk of death in exchange for getting to have the incredible experience of flying to the Moon", not that they want to die.
- tgv 6mo ago
  There are different outlooks on risk, but the attitude can certainly be described as cavalier towards life, and may signal something stronger.
Havoc 6mo ago
Suicide ideation and someone willing to take massive risks for something awesome are very different things
- Waterluvian 6mo ago
  I'm sure the other astronauts are really looking forward to fly with a person showing signs of tolerating massive risks.
  - Havoc 6mo ago
    Each and every one of them is fully aware that it’s a massive risk and has made their peace with that. You’re getting strapped to a giant rocket. It’s inherently dangerous
    - Waterluvian 6mo ago
      I don’t actually think astronauts take massive risks. They take massively well-understood and meticulously mitigated risks. Maybe this is a perspective or semantics thing, but I think it’s distinct and important. They’re not Mavericks they’re Icemans.
      - inetknght 6mo ago
        > They take massively well-understood and meticulously mitigated risks. Hopefully they're well-understood and meticulously mitigated risks. Because if they're not... well there's always modern day Boeing.
    - spiralcoaster 6mo ago
      Right, so let's add more risk by flying side by side with some nutjob with no regard for their own life. Sounds reasonable.
  - hajile 6mo ago
    Historically, around 60% of all astronauts were from the military which is a high-risk occupation. In the 50s, there was something like a handful of test pilots dying every single month. A subset of the ones who survived became the first astronauts. My understanding is that there are still a significant number of astronauts who were test pilots first. If you don't have massive risk tolerance, you don't sign up for a moon mission.
- randomNumber7 6mo ago
  > The trip is far more awesome than anything I have planned for the rest of my life. If you would give your live for a single awsome trip (and you would still have multiple years to live), then you are likely suicidal. Even if it is rational because your live sucks so hard, I would still have to classify you as suicidal.
  - MoltenMan 6mo ago
    ...no? It's the same as when you say you'd 'die for somebody'. I don't want to die, but if I had to die to save my family I would. That's not being suicidal. Similarly, if space is important enough to you to take this risk (which realistically is a pretty low risk!) I wouldn't call that suicidal either. I take the risk of death driving in my car every day; that's the nature of life.
  - rhcom2 6mo ago
    Is jumping on a grenade to save another person suicidal? Or is it just a matter of you not agreeing with the rational?
    - randomNumber7 6mo ago
      No. You save another person. An awsome trip isn't the same.
      - rhcom2 6mo ago
        Of course it isn't the same, but it does show it is just a matter of you not agreeing with the rational
lezojeda 6mo ago
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I read this as "accepting a risk of death in exchange for getting to have the incredible experience of flying to the Moon", not that they want to die.

tgv 6mo ago
There are different outlooks on risk, but the attitude can certainly be described as cavalier towards life, and may signal something stronger.

Havoc 6mo ago

Suicide ideation and someone willing to take massive risks for something awesome are very different things

Waterluvian 6mo ago
I'm sure the other astronauts are really looking forward to fly with a person showing signs of tolerating massive risks.
- Havoc 6mo ago
  Each and every one of them is fully aware that it’s a massive risk and has made their peace with that. You’re getting strapped to a giant rocket. It’s inherently dangerous
  - Waterluvian 6mo ago
    I don’t actually think astronauts take massive risks. They take massively well-understood and meticulously mitigated risks. Maybe this is a perspective or semantics thing, but I think it’s distinct and important. They’re not Mavericks they’re Icemans.
    - inetknght 6mo ago
      > They take massively well-understood and meticulously mitigated risks. Hopefully they're well-understood and meticulously mitigated risks. Because if they're not... well there's always modern day Boeing.
  - spiralcoaster 6mo ago
    Right, so let's add more risk by flying side by side with some nutjob with no regard for their own life. Sounds reasonable.
- hajile 6mo ago
  Historically, around 60% of all astronauts were from the military which is a high-risk occupation. In the 50s, there was something like a handful of test pilots dying every single month. A subset of the ones who survived became the first astronauts. My understanding is that there are still a significant number of astronauts who were test pilots first. If you don't have massive risk tolerance, you don't sign up for a moon mission.
randomNumber7 6mo ago
> The trip is far more awesome than anything I have planned for the rest of my life. If you would give your live for a single awsome trip (and you would still have multiple years to live), then you are likely suicidal. Even if it is rational because your live sucks so hard, I would still have to classify you as suicidal.
- MoltenMan 6mo ago
  ...no? It's the same as when you say you'd 'die for somebody'. I don't want to die, but if I had to die to save my family I would. That's not being suicidal. Similarly, if space is important enough to you to take this risk (which realistically is a pretty low risk!) I wouldn't call that suicidal either. I take the risk of death driving in my car every day; that's the nature of life.
- rhcom2 6mo ago
  Is jumping on a grenade to save another person suicidal? Or is it just a matter of you not agreeing with the rational?
  - randomNumber7 6mo ago
    No. You save another person. An awsome trip isn't the same.
    - rhcom2 6mo ago
      Of course it isn't the same, but it does show it is just a matter of you not agreeing with the rational

lezojeda 6mo ago

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