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Why wait for someone else's approval? Don't leave your fate up to someone else's whim. And don't forget there are many, many other investors. [Edit: Also don

by portLAN 19y ago

Why wait for someone else's approval? Don't leave your fate up to someone else's whim. And don't forget there are many, many other investors. [Edit: Also don't forget you can set up Google ads on your own; or have actual paying customers. You may not need any investment at all.]

pg 19y ago
We work hard enough evaluating applications that we can probably claim our choices are more than whims.
- portLAN 19y ago
  All personal evaluations are subject to whims. An investor does or doesn't like the idea; does or doesn't like the people. Cisco was turned down by 70 or 80 VCs. Nobody has a crystal ball, and at the end of the day, you guess; the dealmaker or breaker is frequently some arbitrary factor.
  - asdflkj 19y ago
    Are you intentionally using the phrase "subject to" to obscure your logic? It could mean "likely to be affected by", or it could mean "dependent on". The meaning changes completely.
    - portLAN 19y ago
      You're asking me to resolve ambiguity by presenting more ambiguous choices. I think you intend "solely dependent on" when you say "dependent on". A decision is both likely to be affected by, and dependent on, multiple factors. In YC's particular case of selecting among many young, first-time, unproven, possible entrepreneurs, there likely isn't much of a track record to go by so the decision has a very large subjective component. Not only can they not predict the market performance of what you're building, but they want you to be "flexible" with the idea, even to the point of throwing it away and switching to something completely different. In those cases it means they can't possibly objectively evaluate your plan, because you don't have one yet. The greater the lack of objective data, the more subjective preference comes into play.
      - asdflkj 19y ago
        "Subjective preference" and "whim" are two completely different things. Let's look at the post that started all of this: "Don't leave your fate up to someone else's whim". If you replace that with "Don't leave your fate up to someone else's subjective preference", that doesn't sound quite so undeniably prudent anymore, does it? Especially considering that the "someone else" in question is highly authoritative on the subject.
        portLAN 19y ago
        You might find it helpful to check the definition. Amer. Heritage: whim: "Arbitrary thought or impulse". Arbitrary: "Based on or subject to individual judgment or preference". > that doesn't sound quite so undeniably prudent anymore, does it? Good thing it's definitionally equivalent and I used the form that would provoke a stronger visceral response, in order to get the idea across more forcefully. YC should just be one possible tool you can use. Keep in mind that if you do actually have something valuable, you're doing them quite a favor by letting them get a percentage for such a tiny investment. > Especially considering that the "someone else" in question is highly authoritative on the subject. You're a bit mixed-up there. Starting your own investment company doesn't make you an expert on people and ideas any more than starting your own record label makes you an expert on music. It's also fairly apparent that no one person is going to be a good filter for all ideas or people. We've all been surprised by various start-up successes.
        brlewis 19y ago
        > Starting your own investment company doesn't make you an expert on people and ideas True, but advising dozens of startups, some of which became highly successful, does. Especially when your investment money came from the sale of your own successful startup. "Whim" and "arbitrary" have a connotation of carelessness; I don't think they fit here. Still, there's truth in what you're saying: The large number of applications necessitates that they use heuristics and gut feelings to choose whom to interview. Their rejection letter admits that the process isn't perfect, and it would be unwise to give up on an idea on the basis of a YC rejection.

by portLAN 19y ago

pg 19y ago

We work hard enough evaluating applications that we can probably claim our choices are more than whims.

portLAN 19y ago
All personal evaluations are subject to whims. An investor does or doesn't like the idea; does or doesn't like the people. Cisco was turned down by 70 or 80 VCs. Nobody has a crystal ball, and at the end of the day, you guess; the dealmaker or breaker is frequently some arbitrary factor.
- asdflkj 19y ago
  Are you intentionally using the phrase "subject to" to obscure your logic? It could mean "likely to be affected by", or it could mean "dependent on". The meaning changes completely.
  - portLAN 19y ago
    You're asking me to resolve ambiguity by presenting more ambiguous choices. I think you intend "solely dependent on" when you say "dependent on". A decision is both likely to be affected by, and dependent on, multiple factors. In YC's particular case of selecting among many young, first-time, unproven, possible entrepreneurs, there likely isn't much of a track record to go by so the decision has a very large subjective component. Not only can they not predict the market performance of what you're building, but they want you to be "flexible" with the idea, even to the point of throwing it away and switching to something completely different. In those cases it means they can't possibly objectively evaluate your plan, because you don't have one yet. The greater the lack of objective data, the more subjective preference comes into play.
    - asdflkj 19y ago
      "Subjective preference" and "whim" are two completely different things. Let's look at the post that started all of this: "Don't leave your fate up to someone else's whim". If you replace that with "Don't leave your fate up to someone else's subjective preference", that doesn't sound quite so undeniably prudent anymore, does it? Especially considering that the "someone else" in question is highly authoritative on the subject.
      - portLAN 19y ago
        You might find it helpful to check the definition. Amer. Heritage: whim: "Arbitrary thought or impulse". Arbitrary: "Based on or subject to individual judgment or preference". > that doesn't sound quite so undeniably prudent anymore, does it? Good thing it's definitionally equivalent and I used the form that would provoke a stronger visceral response, in order to get the idea across more forcefully. YC should just be one possible tool you can use. Keep in mind that if you do actually have something valuable, you're doing them quite a favor by letting them get a percentage for such a tiny investment. > Especially considering that the "someone else" in question is highly authoritative on the subject. You're a bit mixed-up there. Starting your own investment company doesn't make you an expert on people and ideas any more than starting your own record label makes you an expert on music. It's also fairly apparent that no one person is going to be a good filter for all ideas or people. We've all been surprised by various start-up successes.
        brlewis 19y ago
        > Starting your own investment company doesn't make you an expert on people and ideas True, but advising dozens of startups, some of which became highly successful, does. Especially when your investment money came from the sale of your own successful startup. "Whim" and "arbitrary" have a connotation of carelessness; I don't think they fit here. Still, there's truth in what you're saying: The large number of applications necessitates that they use heuristics and gut feelings to choose whom to interview. Their rejection letter admits that the process isn't perfect, and it would be unwise to give up on an idea on the basis of a YC rejection.