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Is it still based on .NET/mono?

by codeape 14y ago

candl 14y ago
F# already runs on Mono and is open source. Seems like it's not the case. Very interesting. There's a mention of "independent".
- zokier 14y ago
  I don't think this is any technical change. Instead MS just got bored with F# and gives it a non-profit ("F# foundation") for maintenance. So it will be independent, ie. not affiliated with MS.
  - ptrelford 14y ago
    The F# Foundation is an initiative from the F# community to promote F# as an independent, open source language across multiple platforms. You're right this is not a technical change and the foundation is independent.
  - Oenotria 14y ago
    MS is not abandoning F#. This is a community-led effort to try to increase adoption of an excellent language and to create a better experience on non-microsoft platforms.
    - jeremyjh 14y ago
      Not yet.
  - dsyme 14y ago
    This is a community activity in addition to what Microsoft is doing
  - sblom 14y ago
    That's not quite right. A choice quote from the kick-off call today helps explain more about what's going on here: "Some customers require Microsoft support in order to adopt a technology; some customers require community (non-Microsoft) support in order to adopt a technology." You can think of the F# Software Foundation as the community side of that equation and, well, Microsoft as the Microsoft side of that equation.
- MatthewPhillips 14y ago
  F# has been open source for quite a while. I'm guessing they are seeing some resistance to adoption due to the affiliation with Microsoft. They've always been quite independent, compared to the C# team, so I wonder what this even means. Porting to LLVM and/or JVM would be wonderful for the language though, it really is up there with Clojure as one of the more exciting functional languages under development.
- IsTom 14y ago
  I haven't been tracking Mono-related news for a while, but didn't they abandon this project? Did it ever work well?
  - funnelweb 14y ago
    See above - Xamarin are big contributors to mono. They have 190,000 developers and 10,000 customers already http://blog.xamarin.com/2012/11/08/xamarin-evolve-2013-our-first-developer-conference/ http://blog.xamarin.com/2012/11/08/xamarin-evolve-2013-our-f... so mono's future looks secure now
  - kvb 14y ago
    Who is "they"? Mono was transferred from Novell to Xamarin some time ago, but is alive and well (better than ever?): http://mono-project.com/Main_Page http://mono-project.com/Main_Page.
balakk 14y ago
There is some talk of porting it to the JVM or LLVM http://skillsmatter.com/podcast/home/expert-panel-discussion/ac-5762 http://skillsmatter.com/podcast/home/expert-panel-discussion...
funnelweb 14y ago
Xamarin are booming (they are a cross-platform, open-source-based development tools company who are big contributors to mono). 190,000 developers and 10,000 customers already http://blog.xamarin.com/2012/11/08/xamarin-evolve-2013-our-first-developer-conference/ http://blog.xamarin.com/2012/11/08/xamarin-evolve-2013-our-f... So mono's future is secured - Android, iPhone, iOS, OS X, linux, windows 8, ... no other high-level-to-native tools get this reach and none based on a language as c# (so much better than java). F# looks like nice added sauce to this.

Is it still based on .NET/mono?

by codeape 14y ago

Is it still based on .NET/mono?

candl 14y ago

F# already runs on Mono and is open source. Seems like it's not the case. Very interesting. There's a mention of "independent".

zokier 14y ago
I don't think this is any technical change. Instead MS just got bored with F# and gives it a non-profit ("F# foundation") for maintenance. So it will be independent, ie. not affiliated with MS.
- ptrelford 14y ago
  The F# Foundation is an initiative from the F# community to promote F# as an independent, open source language across multiple platforms. You're right this is not a technical change and the foundation is independent.
- Oenotria 14y ago
  MS is not abandoning F#. This is a community-led effort to try to increase adoption of an excellent language and to create a better experience on non-microsoft platforms.
  - jeremyjh 14y ago
    Not yet.
- dsyme 14y ago
  This is a community activity in addition to what Microsoft is doing
- sblom 14y ago
  That's not quite right. A choice quote from the kick-off call today helps explain more about what's going on here: "Some customers require Microsoft support in order to adopt a technology; some customers require community (non-Microsoft) support in order to adopt a technology." You can think of the F# Software Foundation as the community side of that equation and, well, Microsoft as the Microsoft side of that equation.
MatthewPhillips 14y ago
F# has been open source for quite a while. I'm guessing they are seeing some resistance to adoption due to the affiliation with Microsoft. They've always been quite independent, compared to the C# team, so I wonder what this even means. Porting to LLVM and/or JVM would be wonderful for the language though, it really is up there with Clojure as one of the more exciting functional languages under development.
IsTom 14y ago
I haven't been tracking Mono-related news for a while, but didn't they abandon this project? Did it ever work well?
- funnelweb 14y ago
  See above - Xamarin are big contributors to mono. They have 190,000 developers and 10,000 customers already http://blog.xamarin.com/2012/11/08/xamarin-evolve-2013-our-first-developer-conference/ http://blog.xamarin.com/2012/11/08/xamarin-evolve-2013-our-f... so mono's future looks secure now
- kvb 14y ago
  Who is "they"? Mono was transferred from Novell to Xamarin some time ago, but is alive and well (better than ever?): http://mono-project.com/Main_Page http://mono-project.com/Main_Page.

balakk 14y ago

There is some talk of porting it to the JVM or LLVM http://skillsmatter.com/podcast/home/expert-panel-discussion/ac-5762 http://skillsmatter.com/podcast/home/expert-panel-discussion...

funnelweb 14y ago

Xamarin are booming (they are a cross-platform, open-source-based development tools company who are big contributors to mono). 190,000 developers and 10,000 customers already http://blog.xamarin.com/2012/11/08/xamarin-evolve-2013-our-first-developer-conference/ http://blog.xamarin.com/2012/11/08/xamarin-evolve-2013-our-f... So mono's future is secured - Android, iPhone, iOS, OS X, linux, windows 8, ... no other high-level-to-native tools get this reach and none based on a language as c# (so much better than java). F# looks like nice added sauce to this.