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I would contest that choosing not to reveal the use of AI is due to an agreement of the nature of the behaviour. In an ideal world that could maybe be the cas

by Lerc 7mo ago

I would contest that choosing not to reveal the use of AI is due to an agreement of the nature of the behaviour. In an ideal world that could maybe be the case, but I think the driving force behind secrecy is harassment. There are those who use AI as part of their process proudly, but secretly, because they know they will receive abuse. I really wonder how some people think of themselves as artists while simultaneously attacking another persons choice of self expression.

fao_ 7mo ago
> I really wonder how some people think of themselves as artists while simultaneously attacking another persons choice of self expression. Because AI art is not art, and rips off existing artwork in a way that is more than learning from the style and imitating.
- Lerc 7mo ago
  Why do you get to proclaim what is and isn't art? It is a topic that has been debated for millennia. Almost every respected art form today was birthed to cries of "That is not art"
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  - fao_ 7mo ago
    I was raised by two artists who are top of their field and have taught art professionally in multiple ways and mediums. I have done art myself. That makes me more qualified than most people here, and also 99% of the people who are writing AI slop.
itomato 7mo ago
GenAI tools absolutely suck at pixel art from my experience. They can mimic aspects of the look at the display layer, but they are fundamentally bogus. Sprite animation in particular is bad unless you build a bespoke engine to spit out sequential PNGs. A poser will give, but not withstand (and internalize) critique. An artist is too busy producing or suffering to care.
- Lerc 7mo ago
  > They can mimic aspects of the look at the display layer, but they are fundamentally bogus. The same could be said of a lot of retro themed games. They frequently do not adhere to the same requirement such as number of colours per attribute cell. Nevertheless, they are producing a style that they are aiming for. But I agree that GenAI tends to suck at pixel art. It will be interesting to see how much that changes. More importantly poor quality art is still art, and frequently making poor art is the first step towards making great art. You don't have to like or applaud things you don't feel are very good. It is just not kind or useful to attack the artist. >A poser will give, but not withstand (and internalize) critique. An artist is too busy producing or suffering to care. This is my sense as well. The bulk of the aggressive behaviour seems to be coming from people whose identity values that they can produce things others cannot. Those who like just producing things are still just producing things.
account42 7mo ago
What, criticism is abuse now?
- Lerc 7mo ago
  No, There are ample amounts of both. Good faith criticism is valuable. Bullying less so.

by Lerc 7mo ago

fao_ 7mo ago

> I really wonder how some people think of themselves as artists while simultaneously attacking another persons choice of self expression. Because AI art is not art, and rips off existing artwork in a way that is more than learning from the style and imitating.

Lerc 7mo ago
Why do you get to proclaim what is and isn't art? It is a topic that has been debated for millennia. Almost every respected art form today was birthed to cries of "That is not art"
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- fao_ 7mo ago
  I was raised by two artists who are top of their field and have taught art professionally in multiple ways and mediums. I have done art myself. That makes me more qualified than most people here, and also 99% of the people who are writing AI slop.

itomato 7mo ago

GenAI tools absolutely suck at pixel art from my experience. They can mimic aspects of the look at the display layer, but they are fundamentally bogus. Sprite animation in particular is bad unless you build a bespoke engine to spit out sequential PNGs. A poser will give, but not withstand (and internalize) critique. An artist is too busy producing or suffering to care.

Lerc 7mo ago
> They can mimic aspects of the look at the display layer, but they are fundamentally bogus. The same could be said of a lot of retro themed games. They frequently do not adhere to the same requirement such as number of colours per attribute cell. Nevertheless, they are producing a style that they are aiming for. But I agree that GenAI tends to suck at pixel art. It will be interesting to see how much that changes. More importantly poor quality art is still art, and frequently making poor art is the first step towards making great art. You don't have to like or applaud things you don't feel are very good. It is just not kind or useful to attack the artist. >A poser will give, but not withstand (and internalize) critique. An artist is too busy producing or suffering to care. This is my sense as well. The bulk of the aggressive behaviour seems to be coming from people whose identity values that they can produce things others cannot. Those who like just producing things are still just producing things.

account42 7mo ago

What, criticism is abuse now?

Lerc 7mo ago
No, There are ample amounts of both. Good faith criticism is valuable. Bullying less so.