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The truth is that Gatekeeper should go the way of the devil. It is my machine and I paid for it, why does the OS care about what I do with it? The only thing t

by 71bw 6mo ago

The truth is that Gatekeeper should go the way of the devil. It is my machine and I paid for it, why does the OS care about what I do with it? The only thing this leads to is making sure your customers grow into good little lemmings.

newsclues 6mo ago
I want to be a power user on my Mac, I don’t want my mom’s Mac to function like my devbox. People like and need the apple sandbox. Others need an unlocked *nix machines
- TeMPOraL 6mo ago
  It's fine as long as both exist and third parties are not allowed to know which one you're running. Otherwise, you have banks and MAFIAA and others off-loading their own security and compliance costs to users by flat out discriminating based on the status of the sandbox.
  - 71bw 6mo ago
    Exactly. We won't have "hardware integrity" and other such freedom-limiting factors going the way of the dodo anytime soon if we keep handing the organizations trying to estabilish those systems ourselves lubed and ready to go.
jacobrast 6mo ago
So that you don't accidentally run malware. MacOS is not iOS, you can run unsigned code if you really want to, but it will make you jump through a few hoops.
- 71bw 6mo ago
  How is this better than trying to eliminate the problem between the keyboard and the computer? The user won't learn if the computer handholds them through everything.
  - anamexis 6mo ago
    Because the vast majority of users have no interest in learning how to safely vet apps and just want to easily use their computers and not worry about malware.
    - bigyabai 6mo ago
      That goes for the malware on the App Store too, though: https://blog.lastpass.com/posts/warning-fraudulent-app-impersonating-lastpass-currently-available-in-apple-app-store https://blog.lastpass.com/posts/warning-fraudulent-app-imper...
  - alsetmusic 6mo ago
    > The user won't learn Full stop. I still talk to people every working day who don't realize that rebooting a computer is actually a real troubleshooting step. They seem to think it's bunk tech support mumbo jumbo rather than a genuinely useful step. It's 2026 and they're still surprised when that works.
    - whimblepop 6mo ago
      > They seem to think it's bunk tech support mumbo jumbo It indeed is. It's a way of coping with systems that are fundamentally illegible and unpredictable. If you have full rights over your machine and you're not running extremely shoddy software, you should never have to reboot your computer to make an issue go away. And rebooting your computer often guarantees that you'll never actually understand whatever issue is plaguing you. Encouraging people to reboot their computers is promoting a fundamentally superstitious mode of engagement with machines that are generally reliable and predictable, instead of approaching them in terms of cause and effect. At best, it's the tired point-and-click sysadmin's workaround for not knowing what their system is doing. Maybe for overwhelmed IT departments running half-baked operating systems loaded to the gills with invasive and meddlesome corporate spyware suites so inherently complex and complicated in their interactions with each other that the system itself is rendered more or less incomprehensible (even to the people administering it), just asking users to reboot is the right play to write in the tech support playbook. Maybe it's got the right ROI for a geek reluctantly roped into giving free tech support for a relative. But it's absolutely mumbo-jumbo and a sign that the "troubleshooter" is probably either ill-equipped to understand what's going on or just not interested.
piva00 6mo ago
You can do whatever you want if you are a power user, the tools are there to get around Gatekeeper. For everyone else it's probably sane to have it, works as a decent filter so someone not tech-savvy don't get hurt by installing malware disguised as an app, one would just need to state incredible features that almost any normal user would like to have, and make them click to install. Gatekeeper diminishes that risk by a lot unless you learn how to bypass it, which requires you having decent skills and probably wouldn't fall for the bullshit that malware apps try to bait people with.
leshenka 6mo ago
I really don't understand what the issue is? Gatekeeper is merely a warning that introduces a minimal friction if what are you trying to run is created by an entity that chose not to present itself. It only happens once per application, not per launch. I've spent more time reading this thread than I have removing quarantine flags in the last five years. Apple has a lot to be criticized for but gatekeeper (and SIP) isn't that.
- cyberge99 6mo ago
  Exactly. It’s a security checkpoint and auditing tool, like sudo.

by 71bw 6mo ago

newsclues 6mo ago

I want to be a power user on my Mac, I don’t want my mom’s Mac to function like my devbox. People like and need the apple sandbox. Others need an unlocked *nix machines

TeMPOraL 6mo ago
It's fine as long as both exist and third parties are not allowed to know which one you're running. Otherwise, you have banks and MAFIAA and others off-loading their own security and compliance costs to users by flat out discriminating based on the status of the sandbox.
- 71bw 6mo ago
  Exactly. We won't have "hardware integrity" and other such freedom-limiting factors going the way of the dodo anytime soon if we keep handing the organizations trying to estabilish those systems ourselves lubed and ready to go.

jacobrast 6mo ago

So that you don't accidentally run malware. MacOS is not iOS, you can run unsigned code if you really want to, but it will make you jump through a few hoops.

71bw 6mo ago
How is this better than trying to eliminate the problem between the keyboard and the computer? The user won't learn if the computer handholds them through everything.
- anamexis 6mo ago
  Because the vast majority of users have no interest in learning how to safely vet apps and just want to easily use their computers and not worry about malware.
  - bigyabai 6mo ago
    That goes for the malware on the App Store too, though: https://blog.lastpass.com/posts/warning-fraudulent-app-impersonating-lastpass-currently-available-in-apple-app-store https://blog.lastpass.com/posts/warning-fraudulent-app-imper...
- alsetmusic 6mo ago
  > The user won't learn Full stop. I still talk to people every working day who don't realize that rebooting a computer is actually a real troubleshooting step. They seem to think it's bunk tech support mumbo jumbo rather than a genuinely useful step. It's 2026 and they're still surprised when that works.
  - whimblepop 6mo ago
    > They seem to think it's bunk tech support mumbo jumbo It indeed is. It's a way of coping with systems that are fundamentally illegible and unpredictable. If you have full rights over your machine and you're not running extremely shoddy software, you should never have to reboot your computer to make an issue go away. And rebooting your computer often guarantees that you'll never actually understand whatever issue is plaguing you. Encouraging people to reboot their computers is promoting a fundamentally superstitious mode of engagement with machines that are generally reliable and predictable, instead of approaching them in terms of cause and effect. At best, it's the tired point-and-click sysadmin's workaround for not knowing what their system is doing. Maybe for overwhelmed IT departments running half-baked operating systems loaded to the gills with invasive and meddlesome corporate spyware suites so inherently complex and complicated in their interactions with each other that the system itself is rendered more or less incomprehensible (even to the people administering it), just asking users to reboot is the right play to write in the tech support playbook. Maybe it's got the right ROI for a geek reluctantly roped into giving free tech support for a relative. But it's absolutely mumbo-jumbo and a sign that the "troubleshooter" is probably either ill-equipped to understand what's going on or just not interested.

piva00 6mo ago

You can do whatever you want if you are a power user, the tools are there to get around Gatekeeper. For everyone else it's probably sane to have it, works as a decent filter so someone not tech-savvy don't get hurt by installing malware disguised as an app, one would just need to state incredible features that almost any normal user would like to have, and make them click to install. Gatekeeper diminishes that risk by a lot unless you learn how to bypass it, which requires you having decent skills and probably wouldn't fall for the bullshit that malware apps try to bait people with.

leshenka 6mo ago

I really don't understand what the issue is? Gatekeeper is merely a warning that introduces a minimal friction if what are you trying to run is created by an entity that chose not to present itself. It only happens once per application, not per launch. I've spent more time reading this thread than I have removing quarantine flags in the last five years. Apple has a lot to be criticized for but gatekeeper (and SIP) isn't that.

cyberge99 6mo ago
Exactly. It’s a security checkpoint and auditing tool, like sudo.