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Probably would be a good idea to include at least a single sentence somewhere near the top explaining what the heck a glass fish is.

by fyrn_ 7mo ago

trashcluster 7mo ago
A java framework, like Springboot
- angelaguilera 7mo ago
  Nope. From the glassfish.org web page: "Eclipse GlassFish is a lightweight yet powerful open-source application server that fully implements the Jakarta EE platform."
- gertrunde 7mo ago
  er... surely it's a Java application server? (i.e. in the same space as Jboss/Wildfly, WebSphere, etc) Historically, it was also the reference implementation application server for J2EE.
  - chasd00 7mo ago
    I thought that was Tomcat or was Tomcat just the servlet reference implementation, i can't remember. App servers like Glassfish were what operations people used before the concept of "devops". Developers wrote the code and admins/ops deployed the code on app servers like Glassfish. Devops was supposed to put developers in charge of the whole stack but every enterprise i've seen have a dedicated devops team that manages AWS/Azure/GCP and separate developer teams who write the code. So it's pretty much the same it's always been ironically.
    - henk53 7mo ago
      > I thought that was Tomcat or was Tomcat just the servlet reference implementation Tomcat itself has never been an official reference implementation of anything. Tomcat implements various Jakarta EE APIs, most centrallly Servlet indeed, but also JSP (Jakarta Pages) and JSTL (Jakarta Tags), WebSockets and Jakarta Authentication. The initial Tomcat was donated to Apache, then used back in GlassFish. GlassFish WAS the reference implementation of Servlet (among others), so indirectly Tomcat kinda was the reference implementation indeed. But just a fork of its code via GlassFish.
- ondromih 7mo ago
  In a way, yes, GlassFish is a Java framework. Although also much more. It allows running and manage applications on a server, which provides resources to the applications. And it also allows building standalone Java applications, with the server embedded in it, in a way that you would expect from a framework. On top of that, it provides standard Jakarta EE APIs, so your applications don't need GlassFish, you can run them on other servers too. Or you can easily migrte from other servers and frameworks to GlassFish if you like it more. And you can learn Jakarta EE APIs even before you will use GlassFish, or hire somebody who already knows it even though they never used GlassFish.
stavros 7mo ago
Exactly, I had to read way too far before giving up because I have no idea what Glassfish is.
cess11 7mo ago
In the Java world it is rather common to use something called application servers. These are meta-applications that provide your applications an environment with things like database abstractions and the like, as well as admin interfaces. It solves some of the same problems you might reach for Kubernetes or OpenShift for, your application gets access to external resources in structured ways and you get to look at dashboards. GlassFish is an example of such an application server. WildFly is more common, and is the artist formerly known as JBoss. If you have some knowledge in the enterprise Java ecosystem you can quickly and easily (or maybe not, it depends) deploy your creations into these.
pvaldes 7mo ago
> what the heck a glass fish is. In Biodiversity, a glass fish includes a few group of Asian fishes that show crystal transparent bodies to hide from predators. Specially when young. They are vertebrates that evolved transparent muscles. Two gens are kept in aquariums: Parambassis ranga and several ghost catfish from gen Kriptopterus. We can assume that the programmer likes aquariums. The word Yakarta is not random, as is related with the catfishes distribution.
- cess11 6mo ago
  Jakarta was chosen by the Eclipse Foundation because it is the largest city on the island of Java, and Oracle is virulently litigious around the Java trademark. https://www.theregister.com/2018/03/04/java_ee_is_now_jakarta_ee/ https://www.theregister.com/2018/03/04/java_ee_is_now_jakart...
znort_ 7mo ago
probably this article isn't for you if "glassfish" isn't a familiar term. if curious (or fomo) it would have taken you about 15 secs to find out what glassfish is, which is still probably 15 less than what you wasted on this mini rant. from there it's up to you to go down the rabbit hole.
ondromih 7mo ago
Thank you for your feedback. I'm the author of the article and will review how I can improve this. However, at a brief glance back at the article, The second sentence in the first paragraph says it's an "application server". Further below the illustration image, there's a text in bold that says "Eclipse GlassFish is now a production-ready, enterprise-grade platform". So I'm really curious, whether the article didn't make it clear, or there was a lack of interest on your side.
riffic 7mo ago
obviously you're supposed to know what everything is ahead of time on orange site.
- deleted 6mo ago
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Probably would be a good idea to include at least a single sentence somewhere near the top explaining what the heck a glass fish is.

by fyrn_ 7mo ago

Probably would be a good idea to include at least a single sentence somewhere near the top explaining what the heck a glass fish is.

trashcluster 7mo ago

A java framework, like Springboot

angelaguilera 7mo ago
Nope. From the glassfish.org web page: "Eclipse GlassFish is a lightweight yet powerful open-source application server that fully implements the Jakarta EE platform."
gertrunde 7mo ago
er... surely it's a Java application server? (i.e. in the same space as Jboss/Wildfly, WebSphere, etc) Historically, it was also the reference implementation application server for J2EE.
- chasd00 7mo ago
  I thought that was Tomcat or was Tomcat just the servlet reference implementation, i can't remember. App servers like Glassfish were what operations people used before the concept of "devops". Developers wrote the code and admins/ops deployed the code on app servers like Glassfish. Devops was supposed to put developers in charge of the whole stack but every enterprise i've seen have a dedicated devops team that manages AWS/Azure/GCP and separate developer teams who write the code. So it's pretty much the same it's always been ironically.
  - henk53 7mo ago
    > I thought that was Tomcat or was Tomcat just the servlet reference implementation Tomcat itself has never been an official reference implementation of anything. Tomcat implements various Jakarta EE APIs, most centrallly Servlet indeed, but also JSP (Jakarta Pages) and JSTL (Jakarta Tags), WebSockets and Jakarta Authentication. The initial Tomcat was donated to Apache, then used back in GlassFish. GlassFish WAS the reference implementation of Servlet (among others), so indirectly Tomcat kinda was the reference implementation indeed. But just a fork of its code via GlassFish.
ondromih 7mo ago
In a way, yes, GlassFish is a Java framework. Although also much more. It allows running and manage applications on a server, which provides resources to the applications. And it also allows building standalone Java applications, with the server embedded in it, in a way that you would expect from a framework. On top of that, it provides standard Jakarta EE APIs, so your applications don't need GlassFish, you can run them on other servers too. Or you can easily migrte from other servers and frameworks to GlassFish if you like it more. And you can learn Jakarta EE APIs even before you will use GlassFish, or hire somebody who already knows it even though they never used GlassFish.

stavros 7mo ago

Exactly, I had to read way too far before giving up because I have no idea what Glassfish is.

cess11 7mo ago

In the Java world it is rather common to use something called application servers. These are meta-applications that provide your applications an environment with things like database abstractions and the like, as well as admin interfaces. It solves some of the same problems you might reach for Kubernetes or OpenShift for, your application gets access to external resources in structured ways and you get to look at dashboards. GlassFish is an example of such an application server. WildFly is more common, and is the artist formerly known as JBoss. If you have some knowledge in the enterprise Java ecosystem you can quickly and easily (or maybe not, it depends) deploy your creations into these.

pvaldes 7mo ago

> what the heck a glass fish is. In Biodiversity, a glass fish includes a few group of Asian fishes that show crystal transparent bodies to hide from predators. Specially when young. They are vertebrates that evolved transparent muscles. Two gens are kept in aquariums: Parambassis ranga and several ghost catfish from gen Kriptopterus. We can assume that the programmer likes aquariums. The word Yakarta is not random, as is related with the catfishes distribution.

cess11 6mo ago
Jakarta was chosen by the Eclipse Foundation because it is the largest city on the island of Java, and Oracle is virulently litigious around the Java trademark. https://www.theregister.com/2018/03/04/java_ee_is_now_jakarta_ee/ https://www.theregister.com/2018/03/04/java_ee_is_now_jakart...

znort_ 7mo ago

probably this article isn't for you if "glassfish" isn't a familiar term. if curious (or fomo) it would have taken you about 15 secs to find out what glassfish is, which is still probably 15 less than what you wasted on this mini rant. from there it's up to you to go down the rabbit hole.

ondromih 7mo ago

Thank you for your feedback. I'm the author of the article and will review how I can improve this. However, at a brief glance back at the article, The second sentence in the first paragraph says it's an "application server". Further below the illustration image, there's a text in bold that says "Eclipse GlassFish is now a production-ready, enterprise-grade platform". So I'm really curious, whether the article didn't make it clear, or there was a lack of interest on your side.

riffic 7mo ago

obviously you're supposed to know what everything is ahead of time on orange site.

deleted 6mo ago
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